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Got any evidence to back up those bold claims? People die from high fevers. People with compromised immune systems can get killed by the common cold. People die

Got any evidence to back up those bold claims? People die from high fevers. People with compromised immune systems can get killed by the common cold. People die without food or protein. And what even is acid-forming food?

pilsetnieks 7y ago
There's this fad diet, known as the pH diet, that's based in the assumption that people's bodies have a certain pH level and most ills are caused by this pH level being out of whack. So, naturally, it follows that acid = bad and alkaline = good (don't ask.)
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  That so bizarre - our bodies literally regulate ourselves to within 0.1 pH, and have 3 different mechanisms of maintaining it - why would we need or want to have a diet to adjust that? I know, you're just the messenger, and don't believe in it.
  - kortex 7y ago
    It started with the (vaguely somewhat plausible) notion of the acid ash hypothesis. Foods when fully oxidized can have a more acidic or basic ash, depending on the constituent elements. Phosphor and sulfur oxidize to the phosphate and sulfate anions, which are acidic, while calcium, magnesium, sodium, and potassium cations form hydroxides/carbonates. The theory goes that to maintain buffered pH, the body has to cations from somewhere, leaching it from bones. Nowadays we know that most pH regulation is done with carbonate/bicarbonate via respiration, with ion transport managing electrolytes. The alkaline diet has devolved to just throwing "bad" foods in the acidic bucket and "good" foods in basic, irrespective of chemistry: https://waterforlifeusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/alkaline-diet-foods.jpg https://waterforlifeusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/alkal...
- jschwartzi 7y ago
  That's bizarre. Do they dose themselves with CO2 to manage their body's alkaline pH then?
thrwitaway 7y ago
You have no idea how much in the dark you are. Take an afternoon to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzUdIggcRNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzUdIggcRNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v0v36lcrS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v0v36lcrS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yfGTmgS4QA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yfGTmgS4QA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqtgZfAxSpc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqtgZfAxSpc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcGB5wlWnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcGB5wlWnI You will wonder how you were blind for so long. Edit, also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R07FL1wVo4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R07FL1wVo4
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  I can't help but notice that all those videos are just one random crazy talking to a camera. He also has videos featuring "High Vibration" foods for "spiritual health".
  - thrwitaway 7y ago
    There is lots more beyond what you have been conditioned to think about food, life, our existence. http://earthsongfarm.com/energyoffood.htm http://earthsongfarm.com/energyoffood.htm https://inspiredbyhilde.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/The-energy-of-food-2.pdf https://inspiredbyhilde.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/The-e...
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kingkawn 7y ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4703655/#!po=1.38889 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4703655/#!po=1.... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4869589/#!po=0.595238 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4869589/#!po=0.... I could go on... The original commenter is encountering a lot of negative reaction because of his reliance on new age language to make his points in this community that hews strenuously to a concept of scientific methodology, but nonetheless he is correct that fever is mostly a protective adaptation that decreases infection mortality rates. Obviously there are temps above which fever can be damaging, so a complete abdication of intervention is not the way, but allowing fever for the most part to do its thing is helpful according to decades of mainstream medical research since the 80s.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  While that does address the fever, the original commenter makes a lot of other claims which are absolutely without merit.
  - kingkawn 7y ago
    I haven’t investigated those claims so have no opinion of their merit. Even science begins with the urge to look where we have not yet thought to do so. To dismiss another with vitriol is anti scientific, even if their intent is not scientific.
    - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
      I'm not about to just be neutral on everything until they are proven false - if there is a claim for which I have no personal evidence and no evidence is provided, and my understanding of the world, based upon previous evidence, suggests that those items are wrong, I'm rejecting that assumption with extreme prejudice until sufficient evidence is provided. And as always, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
      - kingkawn 7y ago

pilsetnieks 7y ago

There's this fad diet, known as the pH diet, that's based in the assumption that people's bodies have a certain pH level and most ills are caused by this pH level being out of whack. So, naturally, it follows that acid = bad and alkaline = good (don't ask.)

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
That so bizarre - our bodies literally regulate ourselves to within 0.1 pH, and have 3 different mechanisms of maintaining it - why would we need or want to have a diet to adjust that? I know, you're just the messenger, and don't believe in it.
- kortex 7y ago
  It started with the (vaguely somewhat plausible) notion of the acid ash hypothesis. Foods when fully oxidized can have a more acidic or basic ash, depending on the constituent elements. Phosphor and sulfur oxidize to the phosphate and sulfate anions, which are acidic, while calcium, magnesium, sodium, and potassium cations form hydroxides/carbonates. The theory goes that to maintain buffered pH, the body has to cations from somewhere, leaching it from bones. Nowadays we know that most pH regulation is done with carbonate/bicarbonate via respiration, with ion transport managing electrolytes. The alkaline diet has devolved to just throwing "bad" foods in the acidic bucket and "good" foods in basic, irrespective of chemistry: https://waterforlifeusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/alkaline-diet-foods.jpg https://waterforlifeusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/alkal...
jschwartzi 7y ago
That's bizarre. Do they dose themselves with CO2 to manage their body's alkaline pH then?

thrwitaway 7y ago

You have no idea how much in the dark you are. Take an afternoon to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzUdIggcRNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzUdIggcRNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v0v36lcrS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v0v36lcrS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yfGTmgS4QA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yfGTmgS4QA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqtgZfAxSpc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqtgZfAxSpc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcGB5wlWnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcGB5wlWnI You will wonder how you were blind for so long. Edit, also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R07FL1wVo4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R07FL1wVo4

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
I can't help but notice that all those videos are just one random crazy talking to a camera. He also has videos featuring "High Vibration" foods for "spiritual health".
- thrwitaway 7y ago
  There is lots more beyond what you have been conditioned to think about food, life, our existence. http://earthsongfarm.com/energyoffood.htm http://earthsongfarm.com/energyoffood.htm https://inspiredbyhilde.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/The-energy-of-food-2.pdf https://inspiredbyhilde.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/The-e...
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kingkawn 7y ago

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4703655/#!po=1.38889 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4703655/#!po=1.... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4869589/#!po=0.595238 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4869589/#!po=0.... I could go on... The original commenter is encountering a lot of negative reaction because of his reliance on new age language to make his points in this community that hews strenuously to a concept of scientific methodology, but nonetheless he is correct that fever is mostly a protective adaptation that decreases infection mortality rates. Obviously there are temps above which fever can be damaging, so a complete abdication of intervention is not the way, but allowing fever for the most part to do its thing is helpful according to decades of mainstream medical research since the 80s.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
While that does address the fever, the original commenter makes a lot of other claims which are absolutely without merit.
- kingkawn 7y ago
  I haven’t investigated those claims so have no opinion of their merit. Even science begins with the urge to look where we have not yet thought to do so. To dismiss another with vitriol is anti scientific, even if their intent is not scientific.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    I'm not about to just be neutral on everything until they are proven false - if there is a claim for which I have no personal evidence and no evidence is provided, and my understanding of the world, based upon previous evidence, suggests that those items are wrong, I'm rejecting that assumption with extreme prejudice until sufficient evidence is provided. And as always, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
    - kingkawn 7y ago