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This is pretty standard in the UK under the current political climate. The Conservative Government about 2 years ago was hell bent (and probably still is) on ge

by davesmith1983 7y ago

This is pretty standard in the UK under the current political climate. The Conservative Government about 2 years ago was hell bent (and probably still is) on getting rid of "strong encryption" and wants backdoors in pretty much everything. Both major political parties are pretty censorious and many of the smaller parties aren't much better.

microcolonel 7y ago
> many of the smaller parties aren't much better There is certainly one which is much better; and maybe it's a total coincidence, but they seem to be the punching bag of the major parties. ;- )
- gmac 7y ago
  Which?
  - dijit 7y ago
    Liberal Democrat’s. They’ve been thrown under the bus for entering a coalition government and choosing to support alternative voting over scrapping tuition fees. Since they were a minority player they didn’t have much choice in fighting that ultimatum, but I understand why people feel scorned. Even if the conservatives are doing many, many more heinous things daily. As a nice conincidence the “NoToAV” campaign (lit. “No alternative vote”) was undertaken by the same people who drove the leaveEU campaign, they used remarkably similar tactics too. “AV will cost £250m, that should fund our army!” And such. https://images.app.goo.gl/Z4GP93UTWMgaVmLQ6 https://images.app.goo.gl/Z4GP93UTWMgaVmLQ6 I mention it because it was funded by the same conservative doners. So the Lib Dem’s lost both ways.
    - davesmith1983 7y ago
      The Liberal Democrats are still actively fighting against the historic Leave vote which means they cannot be trusted as they don't respect the people's will. They also support the current Hate Speech laws and want to expand them. They are essentially (like all laws against speech) essentially legitimising the idea of thought crime. Sorry but Liberal Democrats are part of the problem and I count them as part of the major parties.
      - dijit 7y ago
        > The Liberal Democrats are still actively fighting against the historic Leave vote which means they cannot be trusted as they don't respect the people's will. They're the only party that are, instead of 48% of the population being left behind they're actually supporting them. Regardless of your stance on brexit being a good thing or a bad thing there are certain facts that are being ignored. One of which is that "brexit" is a nebulous concept which keeps changing depending on the direction of the wind. I distinctly remember all prominent leave politicians saying we could stay part of the single market. Now they say that was never the plan. This is treating the UK population as intellectually bankrupt. I'm not saying there's no reasons to _not_ back the lib dems, they've never truly held the chalice so we can't necessarily trust everything they say, it's easy to make such promises when you have no chance of actually winning or have dealt with the realities of ruling. But perpetuating the "will of the people" meme is incorrigible considering that even the referendum that took us into the EU was followed up with a confirmatory referrendum 2 years after.
        davesmith1983 7y ago
        No I am sorry they aren't trying to help the 48%. They want to remain. That isn't trying to help the 48% that is trying to overturn the vote. You are playing around with words. They WANT TO REMAIN, the country VOTED TO LEAVE. That is undemocratic. They have democrat in the name, yet do not support the largest exercise of democracy in the UK ever. > One of which is that "brexit" is a nebulous concept which keeps changing depending on the direction of the wind. I distinctly remember all prominent leave politicians saying we could stay part of the single market. Now they say that was never the plan. This is treating the UK population as intellectually bankrupt. On the ticket "Leave the European Union". That means Leaving the EU, if the single market is part of that we leave it. Now just because some politicians want to confuse and conflate things and pretend "Leave" means things other than what most people would think "Leave" means that is doesn't mean Leaving the European Union is a nebulous concept. > But perpetuating the "will of the people" meme is incorrigible considering that even the referendum that took us into the EU was followed up with a confirmatory referrendum 2 years after. We aren't joining the EU, we were joining EEC. This is nothing like the EU of today. Some might argue we never voted to join.
- davesmith1983 7y ago
  Well I doubt you and I are thinking of the same party. TBH almost all of them are garbage.

microcolonel 7y ago

> many of the smaller parties aren't much better There is certainly one which is much better; and maybe it's a total coincidence, but they seem to be the punching bag of the major parties. ;- )

gmac 7y ago
Which?
- dijit 7y ago
  Liberal Democrat’s. They’ve been thrown under the bus for entering a coalition government and choosing to support alternative voting over scrapping tuition fees. Since they were a minority player they didn’t have much choice in fighting that ultimatum, but I understand why people feel scorned. Even if the conservatives are doing many, many more heinous things daily. As a nice conincidence the “NoToAV” campaign (lit. “No alternative vote”) was undertaken by the same people who drove the leaveEU campaign, they used remarkably similar tactics too. “AV will cost £250m, that should fund our army!” And such. https://images.app.goo.gl/Z4GP93UTWMgaVmLQ6 https://images.app.goo.gl/Z4GP93UTWMgaVmLQ6 I mention it because it was funded by the same conservative doners. So the Lib Dem’s lost both ways.
  - davesmith1983 7y ago
    The Liberal Democrats are still actively fighting against the historic Leave vote which means they cannot be trusted as they don't respect the people's will. They also support the current Hate Speech laws and want to expand them. They are essentially (like all laws against speech) essentially legitimising the idea of thought crime. Sorry but Liberal Democrats are part of the problem and I count them as part of the major parties.
    - dijit 7y ago
      > The Liberal Democrats are still actively fighting against the historic Leave vote which means they cannot be trusted as they don't respect the people's will. They're the only party that are, instead of 48% of the population being left behind they're actually supporting them. Regardless of your stance on brexit being a good thing or a bad thing there are certain facts that are being ignored. One of which is that "brexit" is a nebulous concept which keeps changing depending on the direction of the wind. I distinctly remember all prominent leave politicians saying we could stay part of the single market. Now they say that was never the plan. This is treating the UK population as intellectually bankrupt. I'm not saying there's no reasons to _not_ back the lib dems, they've never truly held the chalice so we can't necessarily trust everything they say, it's easy to make such promises when you have no chance of actually winning or have dealt with the realities of ruling. But perpetuating the "will of the people" meme is incorrigible considering that even the referendum that took us into the EU was followed up with a confirmatory referrendum 2 years after.
      - davesmith1983 7y ago
        No I am sorry they aren't trying to help the 48%. They want to remain. That isn't trying to help the 48% that is trying to overturn the vote. You are playing around with words. They WANT TO REMAIN, the country VOTED TO LEAVE. That is undemocratic. They have democrat in the name, yet do not support the largest exercise of democracy in the UK ever. > One of which is that "brexit" is a nebulous concept which keeps changing depending on the direction of the wind. I distinctly remember all prominent leave politicians saying we could stay part of the single market. Now they say that was never the plan. This is treating the UK population as intellectually bankrupt. On the ticket "Leave the European Union". That means Leaving the EU, if the single market is part of that we leave it. Now just because some politicians want to confuse and conflate things and pretend "Leave" means things other than what most people would think "Leave" means that is doesn't mean Leaving the European Union is a nebulous concept. > But perpetuating the "will of the people" meme is incorrigible considering that even the referendum that took us into the EU was followed up with a confirmatory referrendum 2 years after. We aren't joining the EU, we were joining EEC. This is nothing like the EU of today. Some might argue we never voted to join.
davesmith1983 7y ago
Well I doubt you and I are thinking of the same party. TBH almost all of them are garbage.