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The problem is that Apple has often been replacing logic boards when this type of thing happens as well. Some people see it as a good thing, but it usually resu

The problem is that Apple has often been replacing logic boards when this type of thing happens as well. Some people see it as a good thing, but it usually results in the complete wipe of data. Also there's obviously the idea where a keyboard shouldn't be failing after months of moderate use. Somehow, this seems to be a fairly modern problem as we've been making keyboards for 40+ years now.

derefr 7y ago
> Somehow, this seems to be a fairly modern problem With keyboards, yes, but gunk getting stuck in your mouse used to be a big problem, back when mice had balls. :) Before even that, in PC towers and notebooks with active cooling, they used to be built without dust grates in front of the ventilation fans. The fans themselves used to gunk up! The real “modern problem” is that you basically can’t clean a MacBook keyboard, since removing any key-cap has a 90% chance of permanently damaging the butterfly key-mech underneath. (I think the main improvement with the successive revisions of the butterfly key-mech is that they don’t snap their pegs off as easily when you remove the key-cap, so you can—in theory—clean them. If you’re a trained repair tech.)
X-Istence 7y ago
> The problem is that Apple has often been replacing logic boards when this type of thing happens as well. Some people see it as a good thing, but it usually results in the complete wipe of data. You should have backups anyway. Especially with Time Machine it's dead simple to keep good backups.
- dpkonofa 7y ago
  Dead simple and 100% free. I seriously do not understand how every person with a Mac is not using Time Machine. It is the best, easiest, and most dummy-proof backup solution I've ever seen. The world somehow made a better dummy.
  - spronkey 7y ago
    Time machine is glacially slow, and it is finicky to use with network storage, and doesn't play nice with non-macs. Newer portable Macs had been annoying to use with most existing external storage until rather recently because of Type C.
    - dpkonofa 7y ago
      I have to disagree on all points. If you leave it on, you don't have to worry about its speed because it's always up-to-date. The first backup may be slow but you shouldn't be waiting until an emergency to do that anyways. I have also had 0 issues backing it up to my Synology. I literally enabled Time Machine on the Synology, enabled it on the Mac, and I've never had to worry about it again.

derefr 7y ago

> Somehow, this seems to be a fairly modern problem With keyboards, yes, but gunk getting stuck in your mouse used to be a big problem, back when mice had balls. :) Before even that, in PC towers and notebooks with active cooling, they used to be built without dust grates in front of the ventilation fans. The fans themselves used to gunk up! The real “modern problem” is that you basically can’t clean a MacBook keyboard, since removing any key-cap has a 90% chance of permanently damaging the butterfly key-mech underneath. (I think the main improvement with the successive revisions of the butterfly key-mech is that they don’t snap their pegs off as easily when you remove the key-cap, so you can—in theory—clean them. If you’re a trained repair tech.)

X-Istence 7y ago

> The problem is that Apple has often been replacing logic boards when this type of thing happens as well. Some people see it as a good thing, but it usually results in the complete wipe of data. You should have backups anyway. Especially with Time Machine it's dead simple to keep good backups.

dpkonofa 7y ago
Dead simple and 100% free. I seriously do not understand how every person with a Mac is not using Time Machine. It is the best, easiest, and most dummy-proof backup solution I've ever seen. The world somehow made a better dummy.
- spronkey 7y ago
  Time machine is glacially slow, and it is finicky to use with network storage, and doesn't play nice with non-macs. Newer portable Macs had been annoying to use with most existing external storage until rather recently because of Type C.
  - dpkonofa 7y ago
    I have to disagree on all points. If you leave it on, you don't have to worry about its speed because it's always up-to-date. The first backup may be slow but you shouldn't be waiting until an emergency to do that anyways. I have also had 0 issues backing it up to my Synology. I literally enabled Time Machine on the Synology, enabled it on the Mac, and I've never had to worry about it again.