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My personal take-away is "hold off on buying a Pi4 until this issue has been addressed in a future revision".

by kenny_r 7y ago

tryptophan 7y ago
My takeaway is "use the official $8 charger they sell".
- baq 7y ago
  i bought the rpi4 and the official charger and the combo works FWIW. it's good to know that it just might not work with some cables though. probably saved a few hours of head scratching in the future for a few folks.
- walshemj 7y ago
  But if you want to power a cluster from a single beefier usbc power pack
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  I'd agree (and that's what I did) except here I'd suggest "maybe wait until they solve the core overheating issue". Mine is idling at 64°C now that I took off the official cover; with the cover on, it was idling just below the CPU throttling point of 80°C, which meant that almost any computation caused it to start intermittently locking up.
  - zamadatix 7y ago
    Odd, mine is idling at 49 C in a 21 C room. This is the 4G version running fully updated Raspbian without the desktop (one of the updates fixed the USB controller using a lot of power at idle).
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      Mine is 4G too; I installed heatsinks on it couple hours ago and it now sits at 61°C idle, with an external HDD attached (but not under I/O load) to USB 3 port. Slightly better, though arguably still ridiculously high.
  - snovv_crash 7y ago
    Apparently this will be fixed with a PCIe firmware update, they're just figuring out the best way to roll this out.
    - gadgetoid 7y ago
      It looks like it'll be mitigated (https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/raspberry-pi-4-firmware-update-tested,news-61071.html https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/raspberry-pi-4-firmware-updat...), but not necessarily fixed- making a difference of a few degrees. Active cooling makes a huge difference, which is why it baffles me that the official case has no ventilation.
  - ehonda 7y ago
    I did not buy the official cover, but a cheap top/bottom (but not side) acrylic case that included a fan, and also applied 3 heat sinks which came in the basic kit that came with the pi from canakit. It idles at 47°C and can browse "new reddit" at 59°C. A samba share its hosting causes it to run at 59°C during file transfers to an external SATA drive connected to the USB 3 port. I'm pretty happy with it considering all the complaints about heat issues. Only issue I've had so far is that you cannot reliably power more than one external hard drive with this. A second one will need its own power adapter. There was a firmware update, so make sure you applied that. Might help bring the temps down a bit.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      > There was a firmware update, so make sure you applied that. Might help bring the temps down a bit. AFAIK that firmware update isn't up yet, and won't be for weeks.
      - ehonda 7y ago
        Try sudo rpi-update There was an update that made a small improvement in idle temp. https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/06/29/new-raspberry-pi-4-vli-firmware-lowers-temperature/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/06/29/new-raspberry-pi-4-v...
        TeMPOraL 7y ago
        Thanks!
ohazi 7y ago
You'll be waiting for a Pi4+ or a Pi5, then. They've had similar "minor" bugs with trivially easy hardware fixes on older boards, but punted on fixing them until the next major version. I could be wrong, but AFAICT, they've never done a minor board revision for an already released Raspberry Pi.

My personal take-away is "hold off on buying a Pi4 until this issue has been addressed in a future revision".

tryptophan 7y ago

My takeaway is "use the official $8 charger they sell".

baq 7y ago
i bought the rpi4 and the official charger and the combo works FWIW. it's good to know that it just might not work with some cables though. probably saved a few hours of head scratching in the future for a few folks.
walshemj 7y ago
But if you want to power a cluster from a single beefier usbc power pack
TeMPOraL 7y ago
I'd agree (and that's what I did) except here I'd suggest "maybe wait until they solve the core overheating issue". Mine is idling at 64°C now that I took off the official cover; with the cover on, it was idling just below the CPU throttling point of 80°C, which meant that almost any computation caused it to start intermittently locking up.
- zamadatix 7y ago
  Odd, mine is idling at 49 C in a 21 C room. This is the 4G version running fully updated Raspbian without the desktop (one of the updates fixed the USB controller using a lot of power at idle).
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Mine is 4G too; I installed heatsinks on it couple hours ago and it now sits at 61°C idle, with an external HDD attached (but not under I/O load) to USB 3 port. Slightly better, though arguably still ridiculously high.
- snovv_crash 7y ago
  Apparently this will be fixed with a PCIe firmware update, they're just figuring out the best way to roll this out.
  - gadgetoid 7y ago
    It looks like it'll be mitigated (https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/raspberry-pi-4-firmware-update-tested,news-61071.html https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/raspberry-pi-4-firmware-updat...), but not necessarily fixed- making a difference of a few degrees. Active cooling makes a huge difference, which is why it baffles me that the official case has no ventilation.
- ehonda 7y ago
  I did not buy the official cover, but a cheap top/bottom (but not side) acrylic case that included a fan, and also applied 3 heat sinks which came in the basic kit that came with the pi from canakit. It idles at 47°C and can browse "new reddit" at 59°C. A samba share its hosting causes it to run at 59°C during file transfers to an external SATA drive connected to the USB 3 port. I'm pretty happy with it considering all the complaints about heat issues. Only issue I've had so far is that you cannot reliably power more than one external hard drive with this. A second one will need its own power adapter. There was a firmware update, so make sure you applied that. Might help bring the temps down a bit.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    > There was a firmware update, so make sure you applied that. Might help bring the temps down a bit. AFAIK that firmware update isn't up yet, and won't be for weeks.
    - ehonda 7y ago
      Try sudo rpi-update There was an update that made a small improvement in idle temp. https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/06/29/new-raspberry-pi-4-vli-firmware-lowers-temperature/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/06/29/new-raspberry-pi-4-v...
      - TeMPOraL 7y ago
        Thanks!

ohazi 7y ago

You'll be waiting for a Pi4+ or a Pi5, then. They've had similar "minor" bugs with trivially easy hardware fixes on older boards, but punted on fixing them until the next major version. I could be wrong, but AFAICT, they've never done a minor board revision for an already released Raspberry Pi.