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I think there was such a selection pressure when we were nomadic hunter-gatherers. Agriculture is a very recent development anthropologically, so we were still

by bin0 7y ago

I think there was such a selection pressure when we were nomadic hunter-gatherers. Agriculture is a very recent development anthropologically, so we were still in the mode of one-kid-per-pregnancy, though multiple might have been advantageous. It's possible we developed higher fertility due to that, but we didn't have enough time for that new pressure to kick in.

barry-cotter 7y ago
It’s been 5,000 years since the dawn of agriculture. If multiple births were fertility increasing they’d be, if not normal, at least common in some groups. You don’t even get 1 in 3. Single births are clearly not being found wanting by the Blind Idiot God.
- bin0 7y ago
  Not necessarily. Mortality of mothers is higher in multiple births; maybe that's a counter-pressure (fewer children). Children do worse as well ([0], [1], [2]). Ladies are not built to carry more than one child, especially considering the size of our children, and agriculture has been such a blip on the evolutionary/anthropological timescale that we have not had time to evolve so significantly as to change our basic reproduction. [0]: https://watermark.silverchair.com/151663.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAkMwggI_BgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggIwMIICLAIBADCCAiUGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMNDbyu9VK0lVH1VRPAgEQgIIB9nVdpx5WY2VFTM3siR6zUpI0NIrJ8G9sLgHflEENvKJn66C3kpwvmovR88zIGT4Zf1EjM37ovBkwyBefyQUyxX2tV9MlM9OHvTxWrEG41Otg_iehqYE75eFXqRmaREkeDxT_ISS78RZiRXb-i6WkAIIleISQsmOwkTX_aGVOTOkFKNtHYQXN69Db-DMkH_Qh_wtjf6TLPgDfnShgZ8_YwcfGThvT1EwSpazZAHxh82Bfn8zKsfuwaEsObTJsVAuYACQcigL0RYheX7RHBn42fW2eq6IdG6702SQWhlpEfeTuez0kPQ-r-Jh44nomPMhRLMZMtXrtYVkXfDFCs3m1le7xk9YLjvNKZDdJ-LvJwtp9ouuvl1cQajuaSPN6VI5sD2SjGkd5NDs1CAaODx9hwmhKL-6S_WyMlktkw9keaDWvnIRyjLjiTO1AOHs_eURKqxutChnO9xeQYOwKjgJBrT5vt9hMPao9Weab89ykbOwiApEo4NGBAxHY4PGdgm8K_1O8N18g_De-fFCTeY7gMp0OYbWDAxEMRLrKNdTl1ON9sAU488gm7D6FHCQ71yPmc5ucl_aVoTm4sb85QLxJykbamXeBKCIr40bB_0M59bG37P1swc6dWvojGic6c5Vqr9HwB-ItUGp8afq2_zBBOMBTV7Ih4FU https://watermark.silverchair.com/151663.pdf?token=AQECAHi20... [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5541191/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5541191/ [2] https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004514 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004514

by bin0 7y ago

barry-cotter 7y ago

It’s been 5,000 years since the dawn of agriculture. If multiple births were fertility increasing they’d be, if not normal, at least common in some groups. You don’t even get 1 in 3. Single births are clearly not being found wanting by the Blind Idiot God.

bin0 7y ago
Not necessarily. Mortality of mothers is higher in multiple births; maybe that's a counter-pressure (fewer children). Children do worse as well ([0], [1], [2]). Ladies are not built to carry more than one child, especially considering the size of our children, and agriculture has been such a blip on the evolutionary/anthropological timescale that we have not had time to evolve so significantly as to change our basic reproduction. [0]: https://watermark.silverchair.com/151663.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAkMwggI_BgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggIwMIICLAIBADCCAiUGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMNDbyu9VK0lVH1VRPAgEQgIIB9nVdpx5WY2VFTM3siR6zUpI0NIrJ8G9sLgHflEENvKJn66C3kpwvmovR88zIGT4Zf1EjM37ovBkwyBefyQUyxX2tV9MlM9OHvTxWrEG41Otg_iehqYE75eFXqRmaREkeDxT_ISS78RZiRXb-i6WkAIIleISQsmOwkTX_aGVOTOkFKNtHYQXN69Db-DMkH_Qh_wtjf6TLPgDfnShgZ8_YwcfGThvT1EwSpazZAHxh82Bfn8zKsfuwaEsObTJsVAuYACQcigL0RYheX7RHBn42fW2eq6IdG6702SQWhlpEfeTuez0kPQ-r-Jh44nomPMhRLMZMtXrtYVkXfDFCs3m1le7xk9YLjvNKZDdJ-LvJwtp9ouuvl1cQajuaSPN6VI5sD2SjGkd5NDs1CAaODx9hwmhKL-6S_WyMlktkw9keaDWvnIRyjLjiTO1AOHs_eURKqxutChnO9xeQYOwKjgJBrT5vt9hMPao9Weab89ykbOwiApEo4NGBAxHY4PGdgm8K_1O8N18g_De-fFCTeY7gMp0OYbWDAxEMRLrKNdTl1ON9sAU488gm7D6FHCQ71yPmc5ucl_aVoTm4sb85QLxJykbamXeBKCIr40bB_0M59bG37P1swc6dWvojGic6c5Vqr9HwB-ItUGp8afq2_zBBOMBTV7Ih4FU https://watermark.silverchair.com/151663.pdf?token=AQECAHi20... [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5541191/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5541191/ [2] https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004514 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004514