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Can you explain what you feel playing a game that will always make you lose money no matter the strategies and anything else? Very curious

quakenul 7y ago
Any game/activity that you have to join a club and pay a membership for (i.e. Golf, Tennis) and also play professionally would qualify, so a subset of entertainment, engagement, excitement, relaxation, thrill.
yomly 7y ago
Luck is lumpy. Weirdly I seem to do quite well in the casino and often have evening where I leave the casino 2-3X ahead of where I started. My luck at football betting is terrible, I'm even worse at horses. When you're up it's quite the thrill. You weather the downs as a cost associated with the particular vice. I enjoy "emotionally hedging" sports events - if I want X to win I bet on Y Do you play any other things (sports or games)? Do you not ever go for low percentage / high risk actions if only for the pleasure of occasionally see them come good? Think bicycle kick in football, haymaker in boxing, high stakes play in poker, 1-frame combos in Street Fighter, technically difficult riffs in a musical jam. I feel your line of questioning locks money and all its uses to rationality. Money can be an instrument for pleasure and for many, risk-seeking is a pleasurable activity.
- arisAlexis 7y ago
  Poker and sports betting have a huge difference. It is not 100% certain you will lose long term. Thus can be pleasurable to me. Certain loss simply can't be and that's why I am curious
  - yomly 7y ago
    Fair enough, but gambling can be social and other times it can be a "cheap" thrill
  - bitcoinbutter 7y ago
    The other thing is that "winnings" feel like a different type of money. If I win at the casino, I cannot wait to spend that new money. Whether it's buying my friends drinks or buying some item that I wouldn't buy with regular money. It's really fun to spend money that you feel just fell from the sky. If you employ the right strategy you will still come out ahead 40-45% of the time, and those times can be quite memorable and fun. You will definitely take losses in the long run but if you play well within your means, they won't have any impact on your life.
  - dwild 7y ago
    > It is not 100% certain you will lose long term. Thus can be pleasurable to me. Is betting your job or an entertainment for you? If you see it as a job, a means to make money, I feel like that's unhealthy. When I go see a movie, even if the money is "lost", I still enjoy it. You go to the movie for the emotion it makes you feel, just like you bet for the emotion it makes you fell. It's the trill, the chance of seeing big wins. At the end of the day, casino can be actually quite cheap if you don't bet too high and there's free drinks too usually ;).
    - arisAlexis 7y ago
      the emotion you feel in the movie or buying any product is the product. The emotion you feel in Roulette is not because you find roulette spinning beautiful but because you think you can win money when you can't. I still don't understand
      - dwild 7y ago
        > The emotion you feel in Roulette is not because you find roulette spinning beautiful but because you think you can win money when you can't. I still don't understand Sure that emotion is simulated, you won't actually win money. The same is true for the emotions you feel during a movie. The fear you may feel in a horror movie isn't real, you aren't in any danger. In both case though the emotion is really there and that's what you pay for. That's exactly why loot boxes are essentially gambling even though you get no monetary gains from it. It plays on the sames emotions, the same thrill.
        arisAlexis 7y ago
        In the movie you are certain that this is not happening. In the roulette your mind actually thinks that you won. When you win $500 in the roulette you think you have won whereas you actually lost money by playing and you are riding some random fluctuations. Few people can intuitively understand the concept that when you win money at the roulette you actually lost $0.2 per spin in a $1 roulette multiplied by the times you spinned.
michaelt 7y ago
I've never been to a 'proper' casino, but I've seen a few in James Bond films. Everyone is attractive, powerful and sophisticated. People look on, impressed at his daring. Everyone has a bow tie on. Beautiful women hand him free drinks with a smile. The atmosphere isn't even slightly tinged with the desperation and regret of gambling addicts. I can understand losing $50 a day to live out that fiction. I have no idea whether any casinos offer that experience - the gambling things I've seen in my country have all been far more tawdry.
- mcguire 7y ago
  The people in casinos are usually senior citizens carrying their oxygen tanks between slot machines.
  - Buttons840 7y ago
    And the slot machines are online ads incarnate.
    - rdiddly 7y ago
      I think of them as video games that are really simple, weird and boring.
- umanwizard 7y ago
  Lol, at least the casinos I’ve been to in the US are nothing like this at all. Like basically the polar opposite.

quakenul 7y ago

Any game/activity that you have to join a club and pay a membership for (i.e. Golf, Tennis) and also play professionally would qualify, so a subset of entertainment, engagement, excitement, relaxation, thrill.

yomly 7y ago

Luck is lumpy. Weirdly I seem to do quite well in the casino and often have evening where I leave the casino 2-3X ahead of where I started. My luck at football betting is terrible, I'm even worse at horses. When you're up it's quite the thrill. You weather the downs as a cost associated with the particular vice. I enjoy "emotionally hedging" sports events - if I want X to win I bet on Y Do you play any other things (sports or games)? Do you not ever go for low percentage / high risk actions if only for the pleasure of occasionally see them come good? Think bicycle kick in football, haymaker in boxing, high stakes play in poker, 1-frame combos in Street Fighter, technically difficult riffs in a musical jam. I feel your line of questioning locks money and all its uses to rationality. Money can be an instrument for pleasure and for many, risk-seeking is a pleasurable activity.

arisAlexis 7y ago
Poker and sports betting have a huge difference. It is not 100% certain you will lose long term. Thus can be pleasurable to me. Certain loss simply can't be and that's why I am curious
- yomly 7y ago
  Fair enough, but gambling can be social and other times it can be a "cheap" thrill
- bitcoinbutter 7y ago
  The other thing is that "winnings" feel like a different type of money. If I win at the casino, I cannot wait to spend that new money. Whether it's buying my friends drinks or buying some item that I wouldn't buy with regular money. It's really fun to spend money that you feel just fell from the sky. If you employ the right strategy you will still come out ahead 40-45% of the time, and those times can be quite memorable and fun. You will definitely take losses in the long run but if you play well within your means, they won't have any impact on your life.
- dwild 7y ago
  > It is not 100% certain you will lose long term. Thus can be pleasurable to me. Is betting your job or an entertainment for you? If you see it as a job, a means to make money, I feel like that's unhealthy. When I go see a movie, even if the money is "lost", I still enjoy it. You go to the movie for the emotion it makes you feel, just like you bet for the emotion it makes you fell. It's the trill, the chance of seeing big wins. At the end of the day, casino can be actually quite cheap if you don't bet too high and there's free drinks too usually ;).
  - arisAlexis 7y ago
    the emotion you feel in the movie or buying any product is the product. The emotion you feel in Roulette is not because you find roulette spinning beautiful but because you think you can win money when you can't. I still don't understand
    - dwild 7y ago
      > The emotion you feel in Roulette is not because you find roulette spinning beautiful but because you think you can win money when you can't. I still don't understand Sure that emotion is simulated, you won't actually win money. The same is true for the emotions you feel during a movie. The fear you may feel in a horror movie isn't real, you aren't in any danger. In both case though the emotion is really there and that's what you pay for. That's exactly why loot boxes are essentially gambling even though you get no monetary gains from it. It plays on the sames emotions, the same thrill.
      - arisAlexis 7y ago
        In the movie you are certain that this is not happening. In the roulette your mind actually thinks that you won. When you win $500 in the roulette you think you have won whereas you actually lost money by playing and you are riding some random fluctuations. Few people can intuitively understand the concept that when you win money at the roulette you actually lost $0.2 per spin in a $1 roulette multiplied by the times you spinned.

michaelt 7y ago

I've never been to a 'proper' casino, but I've seen a few in James Bond films. Everyone is attractive, powerful and sophisticated. People look on, impressed at his daring. Everyone has a bow tie on. Beautiful women hand him free drinks with a smile. The atmosphere isn't even slightly tinged with the desperation and regret of gambling addicts. I can understand losing $50 a day to live out that fiction. I have no idea whether any casinos offer that experience - the gambling things I've seen in my country have all been far more tawdry.

mcguire 7y ago
The people in casinos are usually senior citizens carrying their oxygen tanks between slot machines.
- Buttons840 7y ago
  And the slot machines are online ads incarnate.
  - rdiddly 7y ago
    I think of them as video games that are really simple, weird and boring.
umanwizard 7y ago
Lol, at least the casinos I’ve been to in the US are nothing like this at all. Like basically the polar opposite.