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Most of these same countries also outlawed dmt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Your argument is basically just an appeal to authority. As far as artificial sweeteners go, you'd hav

by Pimpus 7y ago

Most of these same countries also outlawed dmt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Your argument is basically just an appeal to authority. As far as artificial sweeteners go, you'd have to be an idiot to knowingly consume an unnatural, laboratory made chemical.

ben_w 7y ago
Authorities are called such for a reason. It is only a fallacy to invoke an authority who is unrelated to the subject, or if your opponent is also an authority. > As far as artificial sweeteners go, you'd have to be an idiot to knowingly consume an unnatural, laboratory made chemical. On the subject of fallacies, this one is called the “appeal to nature”.
- donatzsky 7y ago
  If said authorities were infallible, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately that is rarely the case.
  - AstralStorm 7y ago
    Nature is full of poisons too. Sugar is one! (In the right big and/or chronic dose. Organisms have to deal with glycation damage all the time.)
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    "Not infallible" doesn't mean "always wrong". Just because FDA made some mistakes, doesn't mean you can start doing the opposite of everything they say and live a happy and healthy life. Authorities may be "in the pocket of Big Pharma", but by default, I'd still trust them much more than yours or mine non-expert opinion.
  - ben_w 7y ago
    Authorities don’t have to be infallible to have a better track record than anyone else. If they did, we wouldn’t have senior software engineers, we would have the pointy head boss writing all the code; we wouldn’t have doctors, as everybody’s home remedy would be just as good; we wouldn’t have CEOs, as communism would be correct and the workers would be more effective at running their businesses than the owners ever were (hello ironic counterpoint); etc. Of course, everybody including authorities is capable of making mistakes. It is generally a bigger mistake to think you know better than they do. Not always, but generally.
TeMPOraL 7y ago
> As far as artificial sweeteners go, you'd have to be an idiot to knowingly consume an unnatural, laboratory made chemical. Don't worry, I stripped the <natural> XML tags from regular sugar and mixed them up with my aspartame; it cheats reality into thinking that the sweetener is natural, preventing it from hurting me.

by Pimpus 7y ago

ben_w 7y ago

Authorities are called such for a reason. It is only a fallacy to invoke an authority who is unrelated to the subject, or if your opponent is also an authority. > As far as artificial sweeteners go, you'd have to be an idiot to knowingly consume an unnatural, laboratory made chemical. On the subject of fallacies, this one is called the “appeal to nature”.

donatzsky 7y ago
If said authorities were infallible, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately that is rarely the case.
- AstralStorm 7y ago
  Nature is full of poisons too. Sugar is one! (In the right big and/or chronic dose. Organisms have to deal with glycation damage all the time.)
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  "Not infallible" doesn't mean "always wrong". Just because FDA made some mistakes, doesn't mean you can start doing the opposite of everything they say and live a happy and healthy life. Authorities may be "in the pocket of Big Pharma", but by default, I'd still trust them much more than yours or mine non-expert opinion.
- ben_w 7y ago
  Authorities don’t have to be infallible to have a better track record than anyone else. If they did, we wouldn’t have senior software engineers, we would have the pointy head boss writing all the code; we wouldn’t have doctors, as everybody’s home remedy would be just as good; we wouldn’t have CEOs, as communism would be correct and the workers would be more effective at running their businesses than the owners ever were (hello ironic counterpoint); etc. Of course, everybody including authorities is capable of making mistakes. It is generally a bigger mistake to think you know better than they do. Not always, but generally.

TeMPOraL 7y ago

> As far as artificial sweeteners go, you'd have to be an idiot to knowingly consume an unnatural, laboratory made chemical. Don't worry, I stripped the <natural> XML tags from regular sugar and mixed them up with my aspartame; it cheats reality into thinking that the sweetener is natural, preventing it from hurting me.