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I'm a car guy and I had never heard of this until today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkNga_su--w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkNga_su--w Check out the

by pcurve 7y ago

I'm a car guy and I had never heard of this until today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkNga_su--w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkNga_su--w Check out the video. Build quality and fit/finish is worse than Chinese cars from early 2000s. Panel gaps, alignment, interior quality, materials. Absolutely horrendous. Inexcusable even for $17k. For that money, you are better off buying a Honda Fit. I don't see the point of this car at all.

megablast 7y ago
> Panel gaps, alignment, interior quality, materials. None of this is important.
- yetanotherme 7y ago
  Well, in that case, neither is the car.
inlined 7y ago
Apparently you haven’t bought a recent model Tesla.
- inlined 7y ago
  Not sure why I got the downvote. I was snarky but not sarcastic. Ask any Tesla certified body shop. Watch any YouTube video. They’re notorious for bad finishes. Hell, I found out that mine came with undisclosed damage that required bondo to fix. The most common explanation I’ve heard from Tesla is that this is just something that happens on their $100k cars: damage in the factory that they patch and don’t disclose.
kowdermeister 7y ago
Or a used BMW Z4 :) I'd buy one if I hadn't live in the city center.
- namdnay 7y ago
  People always say this, until they take into account the insurance difference, the fuel difference, the tyre price difference, the maintenance difference...
  - kowdermeister 7y ago
    Still worth it IMHO. Yes, it's a 10 year old car, but with a semi decent salary it's affordable.
    - namdnay 7y ago
      oh definitely! it's just not the same recurring cost as a cheap honda
scriptproof 7y ago
The point is that I would certainly buy this car have I the money, despite minor drawbacks (not "horrendous" based on the video).
GordonS 7y ago
French cars, particularly Renault and Citroën do have a terrible reputation for being cheaply and shoddily made, so perhaps not surprising.
- will_deBerry 7y ago
  it was true 10 years ago, they are now among the top 5 most reliable in europe
namdnay 7y ago
And the owner of "MPM motors" is not the most trustworthy individual apparently: https://en.crimerussia.com/oligarchs/versailles-mansion-of-tagaz-owner-searched/ https://en.crimerussia.com/oligarchs/versailles-mansion-of-t...
jakobegger 7y ago
There are two things that are important for a sports car: 1) it should look cool 2) it should be fun to drive If it delivers on those two points, things like panel gaps and interior materials are irrelevant.
ollie87 7y ago
In Europe there are many, many more choices for this sort of money than a Honda Fit (Jazz). A lot of them are faster than this too.
will_deBerry 7y ago
the link of your video was made by an amateur journalist who had a pre-series (11 490 € full options) this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJ90CMqMDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJ90CMqMDM shows the tests of one of our cars that came out of the production line 6 months ago, you can see the difference, and this difference is remarkable at this point, every 6 months around in function of the progress that we do

by pcurve 7y ago

megablast 7y ago

> Panel gaps, alignment, interior quality, materials. None of this is important.

yetanotherme 7y ago
Well, in that case, neither is the car.

inlined 7y ago

Apparently you haven’t bought a recent model Tesla.

inlined 7y ago
Not sure why I got the downvote. I was snarky but not sarcastic. Ask any Tesla certified body shop. Watch any YouTube video. They’re notorious for bad finishes. Hell, I found out that mine came with undisclosed damage that required bondo to fix. The most common explanation I’ve heard from Tesla is that this is just something that happens on their $100k cars: damage in the factory that they patch and don’t disclose.

kowdermeister 7y ago

Or a used BMW Z4 :) I'd buy one if I hadn't live in the city center.

namdnay 7y ago
People always say this, until they take into account the insurance difference, the fuel difference, the tyre price difference, the maintenance difference...
- kowdermeister 7y ago
  Still worth it IMHO. Yes, it's a 10 year old car, but with a semi decent salary it's affordable.
  - namdnay 7y ago
    oh definitely! it's just not the same recurring cost as a cheap honda

scriptproof 7y ago

The point is that I would certainly buy this car have I the money, despite minor drawbacks (not "horrendous" based on the video).

GordonS 7y ago

French cars, particularly Renault and Citroën do have a terrible reputation for being cheaply and shoddily made, so perhaps not surprising.

will_deBerry 7y ago
it was true 10 years ago, they are now among the top 5 most reliable in europe

namdnay 7y ago

And the owner of "MPM motors" is not the most trustworthy individual apparently: https://en.crimerussia.com/oligarchs/versailles-mansion-of-tagaz-owner-searched/ https://en.crimerussia.com/oligarchs/versailles-mansion-of-t...

jakobegger 7y ago

There are two things that are important for a sports car: 1) it should look cool 2) it should be fun to drive If it delivers on those two points, things like panel gaps and interior materials are irrelevant.

ollie87 7y ago

In Europe there are many, many more choices for this sort of money than a Honda Fit (Jazz). A lot of them are faster than this too.

will_deBerry 7y ago

the link of your video was made by an amateur journalist who had a pre-series (11 490 € full options) this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJ90CMqMDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJ90CMqMDM shows the tests of one of our cars that came out of the production line 6 months ago, you can see the difference, and this difference is remarkable at this point, every 6 months around in function of the progress that we do