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I must admit that I stumbled upon this as well. To me it sounded like „women change their minds more frequently“.

by junga 7y ago

mikekchar 7y ago
Would you have felt the same way if the sentence was, "the COO was a man who changed his mind often enough..."? In other words, does that sentence imply to you that men change their minds more frequently? I've seen this kind of sentence construction many times and it does not seem odd to me. “For I am a bear of very little brain, and long words bother me," is a famous example. Is it important to the sentence that Pooh is a bear? We already know he's a bear. In fact, I'll say that it actually presents the opposite implication from what you reached. I think Milne is making a joke here: we already assume that all bears have very little brains and so the statement is humorous. We expect a contrast and yet there is none. "She is a woman who changed her mind frequently" would imply that ordinarily women do not change their minds frequently, but this one did (unless you feel the same sort of joke is being made). So, the OP's question is, why did the original author choose to state the gender of the COO? In my opinion, they simply did it to make the reader feel closer to the situation. Stephen King discusses this kind of thing at length in a couple of his treatises on writing. He says that you should avoid adjectives because they clutter up the writing and make it more complicated. If you have doors of many different material, you should change your story so that those doors no longer exist because specifying all the different kinds of doors just makes it confusing for your reader. However, it's a thing people who are not well practiced at writing do very frequently (which is why Stephen King discusses it at length ;-) ). I'm with the first responder in thinking that choice of mentioning the gender is not indicative of any subtext at all. It's just clumsy.
- Sahhaese 7y ago
  It could have been phrased as, "The COO changed her mind often enough" and still made the point without drawing particular attention to her gender. Phrasing it as, "The COO was a woman who changed her mind often enough" draws a lot more attention to her gender rather than the issue of lack of direction. I'm not normally one to point out this kind of thing, but it stuck out to me too.
  - cannonedhamster 7y ago
    Keep in mind the author is a coder, not necessarily a writer. In re-reading the article though he only seems to specify gender when it's a woman. Perhaps he really disliked this woman or he has some bias he isn't aware of.
    - zamadatix 7y ago
      In using the search function through the article it seems the exact opposite. Perhaps you have some bias you weren't aware of when reading the article?
      - cannonedhamster 7y ago
        Nope, just re-read the entire article. Your using the search function doesn't seem to have been appropriate to the task nor does it address the entire context of my comment. I'll break down my points to make myself simpler to understand as my points seems to have been misunderstood which is a lack of clarity on my part. 1. The author isn't a writer by trade. Just as coders develop best practices, writers do as well. It's not fair to judge the author for bias based on his writing style if he's not someone who's been trained on this. 2. It's entirely possible that this particular COO was one of many, however they were so odious as to cause a more emotional reaction, which isn't related to gender. As far as gender specific comments there aren't many one about a man and to about one particular woman. We may be more sensitive to this now as this article was written before the MeToo movement really gained stride, so it's possible we're seeing this through our current understanding without taking into account that we've shifted as a culture since then. 3. The third possibly is that there's an inherent bias. It's a possibility, but it's not a definite, and certainly even if there is a bias it didn't reflect terribly on the author as it's really minor. I have biases, you have biases, they were/are an important function in quick decision making that can save lives or not. The book "Thinking Fast and Slow" goes into this really well if you're interested. Hopefully this clarifies better what I was attempting to address.
        zamadatix 7y ago

I must admit that I stumbled upon this as well. To me it sounded like „women change their minds more frequently“.

by junga 7y ago

I must admit that I stumbled upon this as well. To me it sounded like „women change their minds more frequently“.

Would you have felt the same way if the sentence was, "the COO was a man who changed his mind often enough..."? In other words, does that sentence imply to you that men change their minds more frequently? I've seen this kind of sentence construction many times and it does not seem odd to me. “For I am a bear of very little brain, and long words bother me," is a famous example. Is it important to the sentence that Pooh is a bear? We already know he's a bear. In fact, I'll say that it actually presents the opposite implication from what you reached. I think Milne is making a joke here: we already assume that all bears have very little brains and so the statement is humorous. We expect a contrast and yet there is none. "She is a woman who changed her mind frequently" would imply that ordinarily women do not change their minds frequently, but this one did (unless you feel the same sort of joke is being made). So, the OP's question is, why did the original author choose to state the gender of the COO? In my opinion, they simply did it to make the reader feel closer to the situation. Stephen King discusses this kind of thing at length in a couple of his treatises on writing. He says that you should avoid adjectives because they clutter up the writing and make it more complicated. If you have doors of many different material, you should change your story so that those doors no longer exist because specifying all the different kinds of doors just makes it confusing for your reader. However, it's a thing people who are not well practiced at writing do very frequently (which is why Stephen King discusses it at length ;-) ). I'm with the first responder in thinking that choice of mentioning the gender is not indicative of any subtext at all. It's just clumsy.

Sahhaese 7y ago
It could have been phrased as, "The COO changed her mind often enough" and still made the point without drawing particular attention to her gender. Phrasing it as, "The COO was a woman who changed her mind often enough" draws a lot more attention to her gender rather than the issue of lack of direction. I'm not normally one to point out this kind of thing, but it stuck out to me too.
- cannonedhamster 7y ago
  Keep in mind the author is a coder, not necessarily a writer. In re-reading the article though he only seems to specify gender when it's a woman. Perhaps he really disliked this woman or he has some bias he isn't aware of.
  - zamadatix 7y ago
    In using the search function through the article it seems the exact opposite. Perhaps you have some bias you weren't aware of when reading the article?
    - cannonedhamster 7y ago
      Nope, just re-read the entire article. Your using the search function doesn't seem to have been appropriate to the task nor does it address the entire context of my comment. I'll break down my points to make myself simpler to understand as my points seems to have been misunderstood which is a lack of clarity on my part. 1. The author isn't a writer by trade. Just as coders develop best practices, writers do as well. It's not fair to judge the author for bias based on his writing style if he's not someone who's been trained on this. 2. It's entirely possible that this particular COO was one of many, however they were so odious as to cause a more emotional reaction, which isn't related to gender. As far as gender specific comments there aren't many one about a man and to about one particular woman. We may be more sensitive to this now as this article was written before the MeToo movement really gained stride, so it's possible we're seeing this through our current understanding without taking into account that we've shifted as a culture since then. 3. The third possibly is that there's an inherent bias. It's a possibility, but it's not a definite, and certainly even if there is a bias it didn't reflect terribly on the author as it's really minor. I have biases, you have biases, they were/are an important function in quick decision making that can save lives or not. The book "Thinking Fast and Slow" goes into this really well if you're interested. Hopefully this clarifies better what I was attempting to address.
      - zamadatix 7y ago