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> really gimped our performance It's used that way in Australia, the only time in my life I've heard gimp used in a derogatory way was in pulp fiction. But th

by flukus 7y ago

> really gimped our performance It's used that way in Australia, the only time in my life I've heard gimp used in a derogatory way was in pulp fiction. But this illustrates a big problem with all these PC crusades lately, they're trying to apply US (at least parts of the US) cultural norms to international projects, often at the expense of alienating most of the world.

leolambda 7y ago
> PC crusades It's not a "crusade" in any sense. It's one issue on a GitLab that someone decided to link over here (not one of the people who made the issue, I think). It is about "political correctness" only in that it's genuinely hard to get some people to even consider using this free software because, and ONLY because, of its name. I think you should rethink your idea of a crusade if you think this is what that word means.
- flukus 7y ago
  This is hardly an isolated event, it's not just a single issue on a single project. > It is about "political correctness" only in that it's genuinely hard to get some people to even consider using this free software because, and ONLY because, of its name. People that vain will find something else to dislike about it.
  - leolambda 7y ago
    > This is hardly an isolated event, it's not just a single issue on a single project. It's... what, part of a grand conspiracy to destroy open source, somehow? Give me a break.
    - flukus 7y ago
      Where did I say anything about a conspiracy or someone trying to destroy open source? The crusade is to shame people into not using language that a minority of the world deems inappropriate, it's not confined to open source. It's definitely not a conspiracy, the people that push things like this onto other people are obnoxiously open and loud about it.
- slonewsday 7y ago
  >It's not a "crusade" in any sense it's cultural imperialism.
Causality1 7y ago
I've heard it used by British friends as an insult that means "idiot" but I've never heard a disabled person called a gimp. Frankly I wasn't aware that was a usage until I looked it up to check. It's certainly not used that way in the US, at least in my region.
smt88 7y ago
The word originated as a slur for people with disabilities. That is its origin and still the first definition in the dictionary (for slang usage). You're trying to argue that a word is not defined the way the dictionary defines it. Dictionaries aren't perfect, but they're more widely agreed-on and useful than your anecdata. > they're trying to apply US (at least parts of the US) cultural norms to international projects Out of 379M native English speakers[1], 234M[2] live in the US. That's about 61%. If our English-language norms are widespread, they're also likely used by a majority of native English speakers. (That's also not including Canada, which shares many of our language norms.) > alienating most of the world How does changing the name of Gimp "alienate" anyone? Whose feelings would be hurt and why? Who would stop using the product out of rage? 1. https://www.ethnologue.com/statistics/size https://www.ethnologue.com/statistics/size 2. https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/...
- flukus 7y ago
  I'm not arguing that the etymological origin of the word isn't offensive, just that most of it's current usage (in my experience) isn't. If anything having such a great and popular app associated with the word will further diminish it's derogatory use. > Out of 379M native English speakers[1], 234M[2] live in the US. That's about 61%. If our English-language norms are widespread, they're also likely used by a majority of native English speakers. The replies here indicate that it's not universally used in it's derogatory meaning within the US either. Not that it matters, I was talking about applying the cultural norms to the rest of the world, the culture being the PC professional standards of white collar workers in large cities. The more that get's forced into OSS, of which this is just one example of a trend, and most of the world and anyone that want's more inclusivity should be fighting against this sort of rubbish.

by flukus 7y ago

leolambda 7y ago

> PC crusades It's not a "crusade" in any sense. It's one issue on a GitLab that someone decided to link over here (not one of the people who made the issue, I think). It is about "political correctness" only in that it's genuinely hard to get some people to even consider using this free software because, and ONLY because, of its name. I think you should rethink your idea of a crusade if you think this is what that word means.

flukus 7y ago
This is hardly an isolated event, it's not just a single issue on a single project. > It is about "political correctness" only in that it's genuinely hard to get some people to even consider using this free software because, and ONLY because, of its name. People that vain will find something else to dislike about it.
- leolambda 7y ago
  > This is hardly an isolated event, it's not just a single issue on a single project. It's... what, part of a grand conspiracy to destroy open source, somehow? Give me a break.
  - flukus 7y ago
    Where did I say anything about a conspiracy or someone trying to destroy open source? The crusade is to shame people into not using language that a minority of the world deems inappropriate, it's not confined to open source. It's definitely not a conspiracy, the people that push things like this onto other people are obnoxiously open and loud about it.
slonewsday 7y ago
>It's not a "crusade" in any sense it's cultural imperialism.

Causality1 7y ago

I've heard it used by British friends as an insult that means "idiot" but I've never heard a disabled person called a gimp. Frankly I wasn't aware that was a usage until I looked it up to check. It's certainly not used that way in the US, at least in my region.

smt88 7y ago

The word originated as a slur for people with disabilities. That is its origin and still the first definition in the dictionary (for slang usage). You're trying to argue that a word is not defined the way the dictionary defines it. Dictionaries aren't perfect, but they're more widely agreed-on and useful than your anecdata. > they're trying to apply US (at least parts of the US) cultural norms to international projects Out of 379M native English speakers[1], 234M[2] live in the US. That's about 61%. If our English-language norms are widespread, they're also likely used by a majority of native English speakers. (That's also not including Canada, which shares many of our language norms.) > alienating most of the world How does changing the name of Gimp "alienate" anyone? Whose feelings would be hurt and why? Who would stop using the product out of rage? 1. https://www.ethnologue.com/statistics/size https://www.ethnologue.com/statistics/size 2. https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/...

flukus 7y ago
I'm not arguing that the etymological origin of the word isn't offensive, just that most of it's current usage (in my experience) isn't. If anything having such a great and popular app associated with the word will further diminish it's derogatory use. > Out of 379M native English speakers[1], 234M[2] live in the US. That's about 61%. If our English-language norms are widespread, they're also likely used by a majority of native English speakers. The replies here indicate that it's not universally used in it's derogatory meaning within the US either. Not that it matters, I was talking about applying the cultural norms to the rest of the world, the culture being the PC professional standards of white collar workers in large cities. The more that get's forced into OSS, of which this is just one example of a trend, and most of the world and anyone that want's more inclusivity should be fighting against this sort of rubbish.