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Well yes, for me in California and much of the non-English speaking world, before this "issue" was brought up had no idea what "gimp" was. If anything, the pro-

Well yes, for me in California and much of the non-English speaking world, before this "issue" was brought up had no idea what "gimp" was. If anything, the pro-change side has done nothing except raise the awareness of the offensive term and we will likely see an increase in attacks using that term due to it. I can't imagine changing the innocent name of my project because it happened to be a homophone of a mean word in some other language.

leolambda 7y ago
Except, you said you CAN imagine that. I just gave you an example of EXACTLY that and you agreed that it was too far. So, clearly, you have some kind of double standard here. You're arguing in bad faith and it's making you look silly. Stop it.
- siphon22 7y ago
  I most certainly am not arguing in bad faith. The last sentence is an utterance of my own personal feeling about things. But objectively I could see why the name of the other project you mentioned would be an issue. Regrettably, that term is a lot more well known and widely used and I accept why they would change it. I did not say I agreed with it and I especially do not here with GIMP. I am not able to morally justify forcing them to change their project name, since I really do not think of GIMP as anything other than the image editing program I've always used, like the vast majority of the world. I'm sorry that you and various regions of the U.S. are inflicted with such a slur to begin with.
  - leolambda 7y ago
    > forcing them Opening an issue is not forcing. It's asking. Do we at least agree there?
    - siphon22 7y ago
      Sure, but you want them to do it right and are willing to fight for it right? If they end up having to do it due to those pressures, that is very much having their hand forced.
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't cross into flamewar like this, regardless of how wrong or annoying other comments are. I realize that it's hard when you're arguing against a whole bunch of people—it can feel like you're surrounded by a mob. But situations like that make it more important, not less, to follow the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

leolambda 7y ago

Except, you said you CAN imagine that. I just gave you an example of EXACTLY that and you agreed that it was too far. So, clearly, you have some kind of double standard here. You're arguing in bad faith and it's making you look silly. Stop it.

siphon22 7y ago
I most certainly am not arguing in bad faith. The last sentence is an utterance of my own personal feeling about things. But objectively I could see why the name of the other project you mentioned would be an issue. Regrettably, that term is a lot more well known and widely used and I accept why they would change it. I did not say I agreed with it and I especially do not here with GIMP. I am not able to morally justify forcing them to change their project name, since I really do not think of GIMP as anything other than the image editing program I've always used, like the vast majority of the world. I'm sorry that you and various regions of the U.S. are inflicted with such a slur to begin with.
- leolambda 7y ago
  > forcing them Opening an issue is not forcing. It's asking. Do we at least agree there?
  - siphon22 7y ago
    Sure, but you want them to do it right and are willing to fight for it right? If they end up having to do it due to those pressures, that is very much having their hand forced.
dang 7y ago
Please don't cross into flamewar like this, regardless of how wrong or annoying other comments are. I realize that it's hard when you're arguing against a whole bunch of people—it can feel like you're surrounded by a mob. But situations like that make it more important, not less, to follow the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html