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>Perhaps, disintegration of middle-class is a root cause for people considering such living standards as 'convenient'. Effectively,you live in a tight dorm. so

by lsc 7y ago

>Perhaps, disintegration of middle-class is a root cause for people considering such living standards as 'convenient'. Effectively,you live in a tight dorm. so, uh, I didn't go to school, so maybe I'm missing something, but I thought that dorms were usually shared bedrooms or something; personally, I think there's a huge difference between having a small private space and having no private space, and most of the problem with living in a dorm is having no private space. That's where this sort of thing comes in. A lot of the single people I know in silicon valley, even a lot of the high earners, rent rooms in houses; houses that are designed for families. The thing is, if you are an introvert, you'd be better off with something built in a more hotel-like way, with more private area per common area, and with more bathrooms. (oh my, with more bathrooms.)

ghaff 7y ago
Private bathrooms and rooms really start to pump up the required living area. The minimum size is about 200 sq. Ft. and that’s without even minimal kitchen/dining facilities. Or really anyplace for someone to sit other than a bed or a small desk chair.
- lsc 7y ago
  sure, but the things we're talking about are 10m^2, or a little more than 300sqft. If you are building for me, you have a water closet with toilet and shower, and then a sink, but no real kitchen. I eat out or at work anyhow; a desktop convection oven is overkill for my kitchen needs. I mean, I think at this point we're around/above the size of the bedroom most people rent around here? I mean, at that size, I want a murphy bed, but even without, this is a size a lot of people live with right now. Sure, I'd prefer some place bigger... but if you sell me 10m^2 in the bay area, say, for a quarter million dollars? I'd vastly prefer that to the really big place that a quarter million gets me in the midwest. Preferences vary.
  - zoomablemind 7y ago
    Just to realign your expectations - 10m^2 yields you about 107sqft. Roughgly, a 6ft tall person fits twice on either side.
    - lsc 7y ago
      haha. that's quite the math error on my part. somehow I was thinking we were talking 300sqft places, which seems reasonable to me. 1/3rd that is a lot less reasonable, for my preferences. I guess then we're talking a capsule hotel, which... really does seem reasonable/useful for some things, but would be... inconvenient as a primary residence.
michaelt 7y ago
I thought that dorms were usually shared bedrooms or something; AFAIK the one-room-for-two-people college housing model is unique to America. Here in the UK, rooms in 'halls of residence' are almost always single occupancy. There's access to a shared kitchen, and toilets may be shared or en suite depending on price.

by lsc 7y ago

ghaff 7y ago

Private bathrooms and rooms really start to pump up the required living area. The minimum size is about 200 sq. Ft. and that’s without even minimal kitchen/dining facilities. Or really anyplace for someone to sit other than a bed or a small desk chair.

lsc 7y ago
sure, but the things we're talking about are 10m^2, or a little more than 300sqft. If you are building for me, you have a water closet with toilet and shower, and then a sink, but no real kitchen. I eat out or at work anyhow; a desktop convection oven is overkill for my kitchen needs. I mean, I think at this point we're around/above the size of the bedroom most people rent around here? I mean, at that size, I want a murphy bed, but even without, this is a size a lot of people live with right now. Sure, I'd prefer some place bigger... but if you sell me 10m^2 in the bay area, say, for a quarter million dollars? I'd vastly prefer that to the really big place that a quarter million gets me in the midwest. Preferences vary.
- zoomablemind 7y ago
  Just to realign your expectations - 10m^2 yields you about 107sqft. Roughgly, a 6ft tall person fits twice on either side.
  - lsc 7y ago
    haha. that's quite the math error on my part. somehow I was thinking we were talking 300sqft places, which seems reasonable to me. 1/3rd that is a lot less reasonable, for my preferences. I guess then we're talking a capsule hotel, which... really does seem reasonable/useful for some things, but would be... inconvenient as a primary residence.

michaelt 7y ago

I thought that dorms were usually shared bedrooms or something; AFAIK the one-room-for-two-people college housing model is unique to America. Here in the UK, rooms in 'halls of residence' are almost always single occupancy. There's access to a shared kitchen, and toilets may be shared or en suite depending on price.