i agree that it is necessary to clearly separate "value delivered" from "value extracted". but i think you also need to talk about "value for who?" Who gains?.

i agree that it is necessary to clearly separate "value delivered" from "value extracted". but i think you also need to talk about "value for who?" Who gains?. Who loses? e.g. advertising executives can deliver a large amount of value to the owners of companies by helping those companies generate demand and increase sales. But perhaps at the same time they create or destroy value for the people on the receiving end of the advertising (in the best case, discovering a product or service that genuinely helps them, in the worst case, tricking them into consuming a product or service that is harmful). There is probably also value destruction, spread in small amounts over large populations and large timescales, in terms of the opportunity cost of committing resources to producing whatever product or service was sold, instead of doing something else with those resources that would benefit a larger group of people, or a future group of people who don't exist yet. e.g. "i helped my mate Frank deliver a large amount of value by driving the getaway car after Frank robbed the bank". Frank has a business that generates value for himself. I helped Frank deliver that value from the bank to himself. Frank gives me a cut of the value. It is possible that we also may generate value for various other stakeholders by improving the velocity of currency throughout the local economy.