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Zharkova solar-planetary theory predicting Grand Solar Minimum temperature rise

16 points by olivermarks 7y ago

novalis78 7y ago
That’s quite the lookout. Is there a good book / resources on these long solar cycles?
- ghthor 7y ago
  The Weathermans Guide to the Sun is a good place to get started on the new ways were identifying how the sun is the min driver of climate change.
  - olivermarks 7y ago
    Seconding this recommendation https://otf.selz.com/item/united-states-pre-order-weathermans-guide-to-the-sun-1 https://otf.selz.com/item/united-states-pre-order-weatherman...
undoware 7y ago
HN, HN, HN. This is a climate change denialist blog. I am not a scientist and cannot effectively assess Zharkova's claims directly, but I can't help but notice the sidebar (pasted below). About 4 out of every 5 links are basically FUD: Alan Carlin: Unilateral US Decarbonization Could Have Serious Economic Consequences More Failed Predictions: May Was The Second Wettest Month In US History Natascha Engel: UK’s Net-Zero Carbon Target Is Reckless And Unrealistic Now 20 years with no trend in ice breakup dates for Western Hudson Bay polar bears ‘Triple whammy’ threatens climate progress, says BBC News Zharkova uses solar-planetary theory in new paper predicting Earth temperature rise to 2600 following imminent Grand Solar Minimum Big-Idea Energy Alternatives Are Costly And Puny Mercury climbs as Europe braces for summer scorcher Scientists map huge undersea fresh-water aquifer off US Northeast Experts say there is no ‘climate emergency’ New York State’s Energy Future: Lighting Candles? UK Minister suspended after grabbing climate activist Mysterious Moisture in the Mesosphere Record-Setting Noctilucent Clouds UK commits to ‘net zero’ emissions by 2050 Top Posts Study: Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of driving on petrol Zharkova uses solar-planetary theory in new paper predicting Earth temperature rise to 2600 following imminent Grand Solar Minimum Alan Carlin: Unilateral US Decarbonization Could Have Serious Economic Consequences Discovery of massive volcanic CO2 emissions puts damper on global warming theory A remarkable discovery: All Solar system periods fit the Fibonacci series and the Golden Ratio. Why Phi? Uncertainty: The origin of the increase in Atmospheric CO2 Tom Van Flandern: Was the planet Mercury once a moon of Venus? Back to basics 2: Lapse rates and atmospheric stability About me Germany’s Renewable Energy Fail: German CO2 Emissions 10 Times Higher than Nuclear-Powered France Alan Carlin: Unilateral US Decarbonization Could Have Serious Economic Consequences More Failed Predictions: May Was The Second Wettest Month In US History Natascha Engel: UK’s Net-Zero Carbon Target Is Reckless And Unrealistic Now 20 years with no trend in ice breakup dates for Western Hudson Bay polar bears ‘Triple whammy’ threatens climate progress, says BBC News Zharkova uses solar-planetary theory in new paper predicting Earth temperature rise to 2600 following imminent Grand Solar Minimum Big-Idea Energy Alternatives Are Costly And Puny Mercury climbs as Europe braces for summer scorcher Scientists map huge undersea fresh-water aquifer off US Northeast Experts say there is no ‘climate emergency’ New York State’s Energy Future: Lighting Candles? UK Minister suspended after grabbing climate activist Mysterious Moisture in the Mesosphere Record-Setting Noctilucent Clouds UK commits to ‘net zero’ emissions by 2050 Top Posts Study: Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of driving on petrol Zharkova uses solar-planetary theory in new paper predicting Earth temperature rise to 2600 following imminent Grand Solar Minimum Alan Carlin: Unilateral US Decarbonization Could Have Serious Economic Consequences Discovery of massive volcanic CO2 emissions puts damper on global warming theory A remarkable discovery: All Solar system periods fit the Fibonacci series and the Golden Ratio. Why Phi? Uncertainty: The origin of the increase in Atmospheric CO2 Tom Van Flandern: Was the planet Mercury once a moon of Venus? Back to basics 2: Lapse rates and atmospheric stability About me Germany’s Renewable Energy Fail: German CO2 Emissions 10 Times Higher than Nuclear-Powered France
- b_tterc_p 7y ago
  I’m curious why people are downvoting because this appears to be a correct assessment. The paper here is probably legit (perhaps correct, perhaps not) but it’s claiming a 2.5 degree change by the year 2600, and not claiming to contradict climate change. In fact it kind of hints that a large portion of its trend analysis may be driven by human activity > Although, it is not clear yet if this trend in the terrestrial temperature and solar irradiance is caused directly by the increased solar activity itself or by some other factors of the solar-terrestrial interaction in the whole solar system and human activities. Feels a little too heavy on the doubt propagation for my tastes. The blog however claims this is direct evidence that man made climate change is wrong.
masta 7y ago
The whole solar cycle argument has been well studied and understood, it's effects are minimal on the climate. But still, this is used by anthroposophic climate change deniers over and over again.
- ghthor 7y ago
  I think you're denying the evidence that partical forcing from coronal hole streams and CMEs have significant effects on climate.
  - masta 7y ago
    There is no evidence of a significant effect. Especially compared to the effects of the added CO2 in the atmosphere.
    - olivermarks 7y ago
      http://www.weatheraction.com http://www.weatheraction.com Piers Corbyn (UK Labour party leader Jeremy's brother) would disagree with your opinion...https://youtu.be/LlK2_t66wQI https://youtu.be/LlK2_t66wQI
      - b_tterc_p 7y ago
        That feels like a really weird appeal to authority that’s not really compelling even from a fallacious point of view. The website is just low quality climate change denialism. Amusingly low quality tbh. Like Fox News but with no budget.
        olivermarks 7y ago
        Not quite sure what your point is here but worth pointing out Corbyn's politics which are left of center. I don't think your 'Fox News' ideas apply here, but agree it's an extremely low budget website with zero design sensibility as befits a shoestring operation. His position is that powerful oligarchs and oil companies are behind 'human created climate change' taxation politics, and that his lifetime in academia studying the sun's influence on earth climate makes him a sceptic of the cabal of scientists pushing the 'climate change' agenda. I don't necessarily agree with him but thought I'd point that out... https://youtu.be/LlK2_t66wQI?t=1586 https://youtu.be/LlK2_t66wQI?t=1586 <Corbyn's ideas about who is behind climate change political pressure

16 points by olivermarks 7y ago

novalis78 7y ago

That’s quite the lookout. Is there a good book / resources on these long solar cycles?

ghthor 7y ago
The Weathermans Guide to the Sun is a good place to get started on the new ways were identifying how the sun is the min driver of climate change.
- olivermarks 7y ago
  Seconding this recommendation https://otf.selz.com/item/united-states-pre-order-weathermans-guide-to-the-sun-1 https://otf.selz.com/item/united-states-pre-order-weatherman...

undoware 7y ago

HN, HN, HN. This is a climate change denialist blog. I am not a scientist and cannot effectively assess Zharkova's claims directly, but I can't help but notice the sidebar (pasted below). About 4 out of every 5 links are basically FUD: Alan Carlin: Unilateral US Decarbonization Could Have Serious Economic Consequences More Failed Predictions: May Was The Second Wettest Month In US History Natascha Engel: UK’s Net-Zero Carbon Target Is Reckless And Unrealistic Now 20 years with no trend in ice breakup dates for Western Hudson Bay polar bears ‘Triple whammy’ threatens climate progress, says BBC News Zharkova uses solar-planetary theory in new paper predicting Earth temperature rise to 2600 following imminent Grand Solar Minimum Big-Idea Energy Alternatives Are Costly And Puny Mercury climbs as Europe braces for summer scorcher Scientists map huge undersea fresh-water aquifer off US Northeast Experts say there is no ‘climate emergency’ New York State’s Energy Future: Lighting Candles? UK Minister suspended after grabbing climate activist Mysterious Moisture in the Mesosphere Record-Setting Noctilucent Clouds UK commits to ‘net zero’ emissions by 2050 Top Posts Study: Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of driving on petrol Zharkova uses solar-planetary theory in new paper predicting Earth temperature rise to 2600 following imminent Grand Solar Minimum Alan Carlin: Unilateral US Decarbonization Could Have Serious Economic Consequences Discovery of massive volcanic CO2 emissions puts damper on global warming theory A remarkable discovery: All Solar system periods fit the Fibonacci series and the Golden Ratio. Why Phi? Uncertainty: The origin of the increase in Atmospheric CO2 Tom Van Flandern: Was the planet Mercury once a moon of Venus? Back to basics 2: Lapse rates and atmospheric stability About me Germany’s Renewable Energy Fail: German CO2 Emissions 10 Times Higher than Nuclear-Powered France Alan Carlin: Unilateral US Decarbonization Could Have Serious Economic Consequences More Failed Predictions: May Was The Second Wettest Month In US History Natascha Engel: UK’s Net-Zero Carbon Target Is Reckless And Unrealistic Now 20 years with no trend in ice breakup dates for Western Hudson Bay polar bears ‘Triple whammy’ threatens climate progress, says BBC News Zharkova uses solar-planetary theory in new paper predicting Earth temperature rise to 2600 following imminent Grand Solar Minimum Big-Idea Energy Alternatives Are Costly And Puny Mercury climbs as Europe braces for summer scorcher Scientists map huge undersea fresh-water aquifer off US Northeast Experts say there is no ‘climate emergency’ New York State’s Energy Future: Lighting Candles? UK Minister suspended after grabbing climate activist Mysterious Moisture in the Mesosphere Record-Setting Noctilucent Clouds UK commits to ‘net zero’ emissions by 2050 Top Posts Study: Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of driving on petrol Zharkova uses solar-planetary theory in new paper predicting Earth temperature rise to 2600 following imminent Grand Solar Minimum Alan Carlin: Unilateral US Decarbonization Could Have Serious Economic Consequences Discovery of massive volcanic CO2 emissions puts damper on global warming theory A remarkable discovery: All Solar system periods fit the Fibonacci series and the Golden Ratio. Why Phi? Uncertainty: The origin of the increase in Atmospheric CO2 Tom Van Flandern: Was the planet Mercury once a moon of Venus? Back to basics 2: Lapse rates and atmospheric stability About me Germany’s Renewable Energy Fail: German CO2 Emissions 10 Times Higher than Nuclear-Powered France

b_tterc_p 7y ago
I’m curious why people are downvoting because this appears to be a correct assessment. The paper here is probably legit (perhaps correct, perhaps not) but it’s claiming a 2.5 degree change by the year 2600, and not claiming to contradict climate change. In fact it kind of hints that a large portion of its trend analysis may be driven by human activity > Although, it is not clear yet if this trend in the terrestrial temperature and solar irradiance is caused directly by the increased solar activity itself or by some other factors of the solar-terrestrial interaction in the whole solar system and human activities. Feels a little too heavy on the doubt propagation for my tastes. The blog however claims this is direct evidence that man made climate change is wrong.

masta 7y ago

The whole solar cycle argument has been well studied and understood, it's effects are minimal on the climate. But still, this is used by anthroposophic climate change deniers over and over again.

ghthor 7y ago
I think you're denying the evidence that partical forcing from coronal hole streams and CMEs have significant effects on climate.
- masta 7y ago
  There is no evidence of a significant effect. Especially compared to the effects of the added CO2 in the atmosphere.
  - olivermarks 7y ago
    http://www.weatheraction.com http://www.weatheraction.com Piers Corbyn (UK Labour party leader Jeremy's brother) would disagree with your opinion...https://youtu.be/LlK2_t66wQI https://youtu.be/LlK2_t66wQI
    - b_tterc_p 7y ago
      That feels like a really weird appeal to authority that’s not really compelling even from a fallacious point of view. The website is just low quality climate change denialism. Amusingly low quality tbh. Like Fox News but with no budget.
      - olivermarks 7y ago
        Not quite sure what your point is here but worth pointing out Corbyn's politics which are left of center. I don't think your 'Fox News' ideas apply here, but agree it's an extremely low budget website with zero design sensibility as befits a shoestring operation. His position is that powerful oligarchs and oil companies are behind 'human created climate change' taxation politics, and that his lifetime in academia studying the sun's influence on earth climate makes him a sceptic of the cabal of scientists pushing the 'climate change' agenda. I don't necessarily agree with him but thought I'd point that out... https://youtu.be/LlK2_t66wQI?t=1586 https://youtu.be/LlK2_t66wQI?t=1586 <Corbyn's ideas about who is behind climate change political pressure