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Just wait until they find out you can make paper from hemp, at a much higher yield than with trees - and a much quicker regrow rate. it is not just CBD that ca

by jrace 7y ago

Just wait until they find out you can make paper from hemp, at a much higher yield than with trees - and a much quicker regrow rate. it is not just CBD that can come from hemp

hourislate 7y ago
And fabric/clothing. https://ecosciences.com/blogs/news/hemp-vs-cotton https://ecosciences.com/blogs/news/hemp-vs-cotton Or construction materials. http://www.globalhemp.com/2014/04/hemp-building-materials.html http://www.globalhemp.com/2014/04/hemp-building-materials.ht...
- Kluny 7y ago
  Yeah, I'm way more interested in hemp fabric than I am in CBD products. Nylon fishing nets are a massive source of marine debris... what the heck did fishermen use before plastic was invented? Hemp, of course. Until it was made illegal. I would very much like to see a return to hemp nets wherever possible.
  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    I would also like to see hemp mulch products for Ag. And edge out petroleum based plastics.
  - Animats 7y ago
    OK, you're on tarring and repair detail for the next month.
- kxyvr 7y ago
  Alright, so often when hemp comes up I hear about the textile uses. Personally, I sew a bit and love textiles, but I've never quite understood the allure of hemp fabric or, at least, the best use for it in textiles. For making button shirts, long stable cotton such as sea island cotton is amazing. It's soft and has this amazing crispness that other plant fiber textiles such as hemp and linen do not have. In terms of suiting cloth, it seems like largely wool is king. There are tropical wools for the summer and thick tweeds for the winter; it's an amazing material. This brings us back to hemp. To me, hemp feels similar to linen, which has its uses, but it's more of a niche fabric. Now, there multiple ways to produce a fabric and I don't contend to know all of them, but what is the killer application for hemp fabric? As a related aside, there's been a lot of evolution of textile technology over the last several thousand years. In the American southwest, cotton supplanted native fibers over a thousand years ago. We can make cloth from yucca, agave, jute, etc., but we largely don't because cotton is generally better. That's partly why I'm curious about hemp. Other than a fad, it seems like cotton and wool won the textile game. For those curious, here are some older papers discussing textiles in the Americas: https://arizona.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10150/324750/azu_td_box703_e9791_1933_24_w.pdf https://arizona.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10150/32... https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1586&context=tsaconf https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1...
  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    Wool is animal product. Terrestrial land mass shrinking due to higher human population. Hemp is a good rotational crop between corn and alfafa. It restores marginal and tired soils. It will fit in beautifully in American Ag.
    - kxyvr 7y ago
      Candidly, I don't know much about the sustainability of hemp versus the many varieties of cotton, so I will defer. That said, it's not clear to me that sustainability will be the ultimate decider for what textile people use. People need to want to wear a garment because it provides the qualities they desire, which is largely look and feel. To me, hemp looks and feels like linen, which has largely lost out to cotton as a material of choice. As such, it's not clear to me that hemp will be more desirable than cotton. Now, again, maybe hemp really is the best material for some application like upholstery or bags, but I've never heard a good argument for that, which is why I'm asking. As far as wool, it has very different characteristics from plant fibers. It felts; it can be warm or cool; it insulates when wet. People in cold climates use wool and other animal textiles for a reason and I don't see how they will be easily supplanted. Anyway, my point is not to argue that hemp is bad. Really, outside of the environmental factors, where would I want to use hemp apart from linen, cotton, or wool?
jelliclesfarm 7y ago
Bioplastics too..when used with a polymer. And Hempcrete for buildings(termite, mold and fire resistant) when used with lime. Food, fiber and medicine.
- antoniuschan99 7y ago
  Check out Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer
darkpuma 7y ago
Hasn't industrial hemp production been legal in most of the world the whole time? And hasn't importation of hemp products (e.g. rope, or tshirts, or whatever) been legal even in America the whole time? Surely if hemp was going to outcompete popular modern fibers, it would have done so by now. What am I missing here?
- iamtheworstdev 7y ago
  What changes now is that people will be growing hemp in mass for CBD and be left with all of the pulp as byproduct to be sold on the cheap. Which in turn may spur more hemp products. Whereas before your help business model was considerably different and likely not as profitable.
  - darkpuma 7y ago
    Okay that makes more sense. How far does that stretch though? Will the CBD industry really get so large that their waste product truly competes against cotton or synthetics? I can't help but feel hemp is destined to be a niche material for nearly all applications.
    - Animats 7y ago
      Finding something to do with agricultural waste is useful. There's so much of it already. Doing it profitably is hard. People have been trying hard for a century. Henry Ford was into this. It's possible to make something like particle board from bagasse, the waste from sugar cane. But it's never become big. Corncobs and corn silk are available in huge quantities, but other than animal feed, not much is done with them. The energy input, processing cost, and transportation cost usually defeats this, because what you get out is usually a low-value product.
      - iamtheworstdev 7y ago
        But in that same regard its part of why many foods have cellulose in them. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/07/10/329767647/from-mcdonalds-to-organic-valley-youre-probably-eating-wood-pulp https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/07/10/329767647/fr... They get government assistance in the name of reducing waste. Hemp could see the same relief.

by jrace 7y ago

Just wait until they find out you can make paper from hemp, at a much higher yield than with trees - and a much quicker regrow rate. it is not just CBD that can come from hemp

hourislate 7y ago

And fabric/clothing. https://ecosciences.com/blogs/news/hemp-vs-cotton https://ecosciences.com/blogs/news/hemp-vs-cotton Or construction materials. http://www.globalhemp.com/2014/04/hemp-building-materials.html http://www.globalhemp.com/2014/04/hemp-building-materials.ht...

Kluny 7y ago
Yeah, I'm way more interested in hemp fabric than I am in CBD products. Nylon fishing nets are a massive source of marine debris... what the heck did fishermen use before plastic was invented? Hemp, of course. Until it was made illegal. I would very much like to see a return to hemp nets wherever possible.
- jelliclesfarm 7y ago
  I would also like to see hemp mulch products for Ag. And edge out petroleum based plastics.
- Animats 7y ago
  OK, you're on tarring and repair detail for the next month.
kxyvr 7y ago
Alright, so often when hemp comes up I hear about the textile uses. Personally, I sew a bit and love textiles, but I've never quite understood the allure of hemp fabric or, at least, the best use for it in textiles. For making button shirts, long stable cotton such as sea island cotton is amazing. It's soft and has this amazing crispness that other plant fiber textiles such as hemp and linen do not have. In terms of suiting cloth, it seems like largely wool is king. There are tropical wools for the summer and thick tweeds for the winter; it's an amazing material. This brings us back to hemp. To me, hemp feels similar to linen, which has its uses, but it's more of a niche fabric. Now, there multiple ways to produce a fabric and I don't contend to know all of them, but what is the killer application for hemp fabric? As a related aside, there's been a lot of evolution of textile technology over the last several thousand years. In the American southwest, cotton supplanted native fibers over a thousand years ago. We can make cloth from yucca, agave, jute, etc., but we largely don't because cotton is generally better. That's partly why I'm curious about hemp. Other than a fad, it seems like cotton and wool won the textile game. For those curious, here are some older papers discussing textiles in the Americas: https://arizona.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10150/324750/azu_td_box703_e9791_1933_24_w.pdf https://arizona.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10150/32... https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1586&context=tsaconf https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1...
- jelliclesfarm 7y ago
  Wool is animal product. Terrestrial land mass shrinking due to higher human population. Hemp is a good rotational crop between corn and alfafa. It restores marginal and tired soils. It will fit in beautifully in American Ag.
  - kxyvr 7y ago
    Candidly, I don't know much about the sustainability of hemp versus the many varieties of cotton, so I will defer. That said, it's not clear to me that sustainability will be the ultimate decider for what textile people use. People need to want to wear a garment because it provides the qualities they desire, which is largely look and feel. To me, hemp looks and feels like linen, which has largely lost out to cotton as a material of choice. As such, it's not clear to me that hemp will be more desirable than cotton. Now, again, maybe hemp really is the best material for some application like upholstery or bags, but I've never heard a good argument for that, which is why I'm asking. As far as wool, it has very different characteristics from plant fibers. It felts; it can be warm or cool; it insulates when wet. People in cold climates use wool and other animal textiles for a reason and I don't see how they will be easily supplanted. Anyway, my point is not to argue that hemp is bad. Really, outside of the environmental factors, where would I want to use hemp apart from linen, cotton, or wool?

jelliclesfarm 7y ago

Bioplastics too..when used with a polymer. And Hempcrete for buildings(termite, mold and fire resistant) when used with lime. Food, fiber and medicine.

antoniuschan99 7y ago
Check out Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer

darkpuma 7y ago

Hasn't industrial hemp production been legal in most of the world the whole time? And hasn't importation of hemp products (e.g. rope, or tshirts, or whatever) been legal even in America the whole time? Surely if hemp was going to outcompete popular modern fibers, it would have done so by now. What am I missing here?

iamtheworstdev 7y ago
What changes now is that people will be growing hemp in mass for CBD and be left with all of the pulp as byproduct to be sold on the cheap. Which in turn may spur more hemp products. Whereas before your help business model was considerably different and likely not as profitable.
- darkpuma 7y ago
  Okay that makes more sense. How far does that stretch though? Will the CBD industry really get so large that their waste product truly competes against cotton or synthetics? I can't help but feel hemp is destined to be a niche material for nearly all applications.
  - Animats 7y ago
    Finding something to do with agricultural waste is useful. There's so much of it already. Doing it profitably is hard. People have been trying hard for a century. Henry Ford was into this. It's possible to make something like particle board from bagasse, the waste from sugar cane. But it's never become big. Corncobs and corn silk are available in huge quantities, but other than animal feed, not much is done with them. The energy input, processing cost, and transportation cost usually defeats this, because what you get out is usually a low-value product.
    - iamtheworstdev 7y ago
      But in that same regard its part of why many foods have cellulose in them. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/07/10/329767647/from-mcdonalds-to-organic-valley-youre-probably-eating-wood-pulp https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/07/10/329767647/fr... They get government assistance in the name of reducing waste. Hemp could see the same relief.