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In fairness, the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press. And much of that demand was a result of Apple’s f

In fairness, the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press. And much of that demand was a result of Apple’s failure to spec bump their pro machines. Lots of us were waiting for the next generation.

Razengan 7y ago
> the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press. Even then, there was similar snarfle about Apple "failing" when the new Touch Bar redesign was first revealed, where a few handful of people were opting to speak on everyone's behalf, saying that the new MBPs will flop and nobody will buy them. Then again, this has been going on for over 20 years: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500
- cglace 7y ago
  I think you are confusing sales with people liking the new design. People that have bought into the ecosystem may buy the new design even though they prefer the previous iteration.
  - Razengan 7y ago
    If sales are not the most direct indicator of whether people like something or not, what is? Apple has released many MacBooks with essentially the same keyboard design since 2015. If people really hated them, sales should have tanked in subsequent years, and Apple would have something different by now, 4 years later. The people who keep posting that they'll switch to PCs, would all have switched by now. Do you suppose the number of people complaining here represent a significant percentage of the millions who have purchased MacBooks with the butterfly keyboards? People who are satisfied with them aren't going to flock to every post to balance out the complaints. Those who do post in favor of the new MBPs get downvoted into grayness. There may be issues, but the incessant negativity feels bizarrely overblown and seems memetic at this point, if not outright paid for by rival companies.
    - cglace 7y ago
      One, you can buy something and not enjoy it. Two, you can be given the computer by your employer and not like it. Three, you can not like the current model but buy it anyway because you want to stick with the Mac ecosystem. I’ve been in numerous meetings where everyone is complaining about their new mpb while others in the meeting saying they are going to hold onto their older models as long as they can. Finally, they are moving away from this design which indicates they too see a problem with the keyboard.
      - Razengan 7y ago
        Four, people actually like them and have had no issues with them. Why is that so hard to conceive for some people when they dislike something, that their opinion isn't universal? It can't be. If this was a fair discussion, the users sharing their positive experiences wouldn't be reflex-downvoted.
        cglace 7y ago
        I didn’t say some don’t. I just believe the design is highly polarizing among the apple faithful. The reason “we” get so mad is that “we” feel there isn’t really a good option for an apple laptop when we want to give them our money.

Razengan 7y ago

> the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press. Even then, there was similar snarfle about Apple "failing" when the new Touch Bar redesign was first revealed, where a few handful of people were opting to speak on everyone's behalf, saying that the new MBPs will flop and nobody will buy them. Then again, this has been going on for over 20 years: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500

cglace 7y ago
I think you are confusing sales with people liking the new design. People that have bought into the ecosystem may buy the new design even though they prefer the previous iteration.
- Razengan 7y ago
  If sales are not the most direct indicator of whether people like something or not, what is? Apple has released many MacBooks with essentially the same keyboard design since 2015. If people really hated them, sales should have tanked in subsequent years, and Apple would have something different by now, 4 years later. The people who keep posting that they'll switch to PCs, would all have switched by now. Do you suppose the number of people complaining here represent a significant percentage of the millions who have purchased MacBooks with the butterfly keyboards? People who are satisfied with them aren't going to flock to every post to balance out the complaints. Those who do post in favor of the new MBPs get downvoted into grayness. There may be issues, but the incessant negativity feels bizarrely overblown and seems memetic at this point, if not outright paid for by rival companies.
  - cglace 7y ago
    One, you can buy something and not enjoy it. Two, you can be given the computer by your employer and not like it. Three, you can not like the current model but buy it anyway because you want to stick with the Mac ecosystem. I’ve been in numerous meetings where everyone is complaining about their new mpb while others in the meeting saying they are going to hold onto their older models as long as they can. Finally, they are moving away from this design which indicates they too see a problem with the keyboard.
    - Razengan 7y ago
      Four, people actually like them and have had no issues with them. Why is that so hard to conceive for some people when they dislike something, that their opinion isn't universal? It can't be. If this was a fair discussion, the users sharing their positive experiences wouldn't be reflex-downvoted.
      - cglace 7y ago
        I didn’t say some don’t. I just believe the design is highly polarizing among the apple faithful. The reason “we” get so mad is that “we” feel there isn’t really a good option for an apple laptop when we want to give them our money.