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I personally love the Touch Bar and I really like the quiet, soft, short-travel keys on the 2015+ MacBooks. Other than a "rigid" cursor key on the first-generat

I personally love the Touch Bar and I really like the quiet, soft, short-travel keys on the 2015+ MacBooks. Other than a "rigid" cursor key on the first-generation 12" MacBook, I haven't experienced any unresponsive keys, definitely not on the Pros, yet (though that may be because I always use a protector or "keyboard condom" to prevent finger stains and smudges.) I do not miss MagSafe or the headphone jack either. I prefer thinness and lightness. I'm one of the people who have been satisfied with Macs for a long time and haven't considered switching to anything else, and despite what the loud minority may make it seem like, I'm clearly not alone: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/09/new-macbook-pro-has-outsold-all-competitors/ http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/09/new-macbook-pro-has-outs...

nik736 7y ago
Give me at least the option to get rid of the touch bar. I want physical keys, the touch bar has zero advantages for me but a lot disadvantages. It's not really an innovation that needs to be pushed like for example USB C, it's just an annoying accessory that they forced on us to raise prices.
whitehouse3 7y ago
In fairness, the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press. And much of that demand was a result of Apple’s failure to spec bump their pro machines. Lots of us were waiting for the next generation.
- Razengan 7y ago
  > the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press. Even then, there was similar snarfle about Apple "failing" when the new Touch Bar redesign was first revealed, where a few handful of people were opting to speak on everyone's behalf, saying that the new MBPs will flop and nobody will buy them. Then again, this has been going on for over 20 years: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500
  - cglace 7y ago
    I think you are confusing sales with people liking the new design. People that have bought into the ecosystem may buy the new design even though they prefer the previous iteration.
    - Razengan 7y ago
      If sales are not the most direct indicator of whether people like something or not, what is? Apple has released many MacBooks with essentially the same keyboard design since 2015. If people really hated them, sales should have tanked in subsequent years, and Apple would have something different by now, 4 years later. The people who keep posting that they'll switch to PCs, would all have switched by now. Do you suppose the number of people complaining here represent a significant percentage of the millions who have purchased MacBooks with the butterfly keyboards? People who are satisfied with them aren't going to flock to every post to balance out the complaints. Those who do post in favor of the new MBPs get downvoted into grayness. There may be issues, but the incessant negativity feels bizarrely overblown and seems memetic at this point, if not outright paid for by rival companies.
      - cglace 7y ago
        One, you can buy something and not enjoy it. Two, you can be given the computer by your employer and not like it. Three, you can not like the current model but buy it anyway because you want to stick with the Mac ecosystem. I’ve been in numerous meetings where everyone is complaining about their new mpb while others in the meeting saying they are going to hold onto their older models as long as they can. Finally, they are moving away from this design which indicates they too see a problem with the keyboard.
        Razengan 7y ago
        Four, people actually like them and have had no issues with them. Why is that so hard to conceive for some people when they dislike something, that their opinion isn't universal? It can't be. If this was a fair discussion, the users sharing their positive experiences wouldn't be reflex-downvoted.
monsieurbanana 7y ago
I personally think the new keyboards are atrocious, but that's your opinion and I respect it. Until the "loud minority" part. Your love for Apple is blinding you, I doubt they would shell out the money for a replacement program if it was truly just a "loud minority".
- Razengan 7y ago
  They have replacement programs for other issues, like faulty batteries and logic boards, regardless of whether many people are affected or a few.
cglace 7y ago
I’ve held off buying a new mbp until they fix the keyboard/Touch Bar. I know of plenty of others like me.

nik736 7y ago

Give me at least the option to get rid of the touch bar. I want physical keys, the touch bar has zero advantages for me but a lot disadvantages. It's not really an innovation that needs to be pushed like for example USB C, it's just an annoying accessory that they forced on us to raise prices.

whitehouse3 7y ago

In fairness, the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press. And much of that demand was a result of Apple’s failure to spec bump their pro machines. Lots of us were waiting for the next generation.

Razengan 7y ago
> the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press. Even then, there was similar snarfle about Apple "failing" when the new Touch Bar redesign was first revealed, where a few handful of people were opting to speak on everyone's behalf, saying that the new MBPs will flop and nobody will buy them. Then again, this has been going on for over 20 years: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500
- cglace 7y ago
  I think you are confusing sales with people liking the new design. People that have bought into the ecosystem may buy the new design even though they prefer the previous iteration.
  - Razengan 7y ago
    If sales are not the most direct indicator of whether people like something or not, what is? Apple has released many MacBooks with essentially the same keyboard design since 2015. If people really hated them, sales should have tanked in subsequent years, and Apple would have something different by now, 4 years later. The people who keep posting that they'll switch to PCs, would all have switched by now. Do you suppose the number of people complaining here represent a significant percentage of the millions who have purchased MacBooks with the butterfly keyboards? People who are satisfied with them aren't going to flock to every post to balance out the complaints. Those who do post in favor of the new MBPs get downvoted into grayness. There may be issues, but the incessant negativity feels bizarrely overblown and seems memetic at this point, if not outright paid for by rival companies.
    - cglace 7y ago
      One, you can buy something and not enjoy it. Two, you can be given the computer by your employer and not like it. Three, you can not like the current model but buy it anyway because you want to stick with the Mac ecosystem. I’ve been in numerous meetings where everyone is complaining about their new mpb while others in the meeting saying they are going to hold onto their older models as long as they can. Finally, they are moving away from this design which indicates they too see a problem with the keyboard.
      - Razengan 7y ago
        Four, people actually like them and have had no issues with them. Why is that so hard to conceive for some people when they dislike something, that their opinion isn't universal? It can't be. If this was a fair discussion, the users sharing their positive experiences wouldn't be reflex-downvoted.

monsieurbanana 7y ago

I personally think the new keyboards are atrocious, but that's your opinion and I respect it. Until the "loud minority" part. Your love for Apple is blinding you, I doubt they would shell out the money for a replacement program if it was truly just a "loud minority".

Razengan 7y ago
They have replacement programs for other issues, like faulty batteries and logic boards, regardless of whether many people are affected or a few.

cglace 7y ago

I’ve held off buying a new mbp until they fix the keyboard/Touch Bar. I know of plenty of others like me.