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In case you are also wondering how that works and what's supported. Based on https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/02/25/exploring-alternative-funding-m
by dewey 7y ago
In case you are also wondering how that works and what's supported.
Based on https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/02/25/exploring-alternative-funding-models-for-the-web/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/02/25/exploring... it looks like it's a collaboration with https://scroll.com/ https://scroll.com/ and supports sites like:
- Vox
- The Atlantic
- Buzzfeed
- Gizmodo
- Slate
- achingtooth 7y agoSeems like a bunch of publishers that have a leftist bias. I wonder if they'll give The Daily Wire, TYT, The Daily Stormer, etc the same opportunity or if it'll just be neoliberal outlets.
- driverdan 7y ago> The Daily Stormer Let's hope they don't support Neo-Nazis.
- dbspin 7y agoGonna go out on a limb and guess that Firefox isn't that interesting in funding holocaust denial.
- zamadatix 7y agoI find it unlikely as well and don't blame them (they have a huge brand identity to protect) but I don't think this sort of concept really works unless it's available everywhere ad revenue is. The unique value to the end user is "an ad free web" not "a web content curator".
- AlexandrB 7y agoThe Daily Stormer? Really? No, I suspect that Mozilla won’t be partnering with self-identified Nazis.
- cglace 7y agoWell, my guess is they aren’t going to support a website with whom 99.99% of their users probably find reprehensible.
- kabwj 7y agoIf you’re implying 99.99% of users of Firefox are leftists, you’ll have to prove it.
- krapp 7y agoIf you're implying only leftists would object to The Daily Stormer, you'll have to prove it.
- kabwj 7y agoThe guy is obviously being facetious bringing up Daily Stormer, but I agree that it’s odd (or maybe not so much) that Mozilla only went with leftist outlets.
- krapp 7y agoI don't see anything in the linked article showing that Mozilla only went with leftist outlets, much less an intention on their part to exclude non-leftist content as a matter of policy. What I do see here is an assumption of a political agenda based on what may not even be an exhaustive list of Scroll's list of publisher sites, likely based on a single graphic on their frontpage which contains 12 logos, of which four companies were mentioned here. Their about page[0] shows 24. Are all of these "leftist" outlets? Is their only relevant commonality left-wing political ideology? Show me some evidence of non-crazy non-leftist publishers being rejected by this partnership due to their ideology and I'll agree it's odd. Until then it just looks like confirmation bias to me. [0]https://scroll.com/about https://scroll.com/about
- kabwj 7y agoI’ve looked at the list and literally all of them are leftist outlets. (Half of them belong to the Gizmodo family.) They are also all US-based. There’s a clear bias and, honestly, trying to pretend it’s not there is doing a disservice. Whether that’s because Scroll is not interested in serving right-wing customers or because right-wing outlets are not interested in participating in Scroll, that’s going to remain a mystery I guess.
- pjc50 7y agoWhy aren't there rightwing outlets you can recommend that aren't overtly racist?
- gdhbcc 7y agoBecause the best way to tell if someone is being true to their stance, is to see if they apply it to those they hate as they do to those they love.
- mateuszf 7y agoWhat if their stance is about not being racist?
- orf 7y agoYou're saying that not wanting to support Nazis and wanting a better funding model for content on the internet are mutually exclusive?
- krastanov 7y agoThis is a ridiculous strawman argument. Sure, they should include right-wing media. But "The Daily Stormer" is not right wing media, rather it is a neo-nazi conspiracy hell hole. It has no place on a list of journalistic outlets.
- sequoia 7y ago> Seems like a bunch of publishers that have a leftist bias. Fair point. This is unlikely to appeal to anyone without left-leaning politics. > The Daily Stormer Very bad example of "the other side" which derails the point you're making. Better: "I wonder if they'll give The Federalist, National Review, Quillette etc. ..." There are examples of conservative (or just heterodox, in Quillette's case) media outlets that don't endorse genocide.
- hestefisk 7y agoIn what way is neoliberalism leftist?
- achingtooth 7y agoWhy am I being down voted? All I did was point out a bias they have. It's a serious concern that certain groups of people are being shut out of technology and society. I probably shouldn't have used The Daily Stormer since it's a little controversial, but I used it since it has a history of being censored. I think all people should be able to have equal footing from neoliberals, to Islamic clerics, to Nazis. inb4 paradox of tolerance, Popper himself said "suppression would certainly be unwise." I also never said Mozilla has to support The Daily Stormer or any other right wing outlet, I only ever pointed out their bias.
- r3bl 7y agoBecause your average HN reader understands that "unbiased journalism" is an oxymoron. Water is wet, and pointing that out brings absolutely nothing of value to the discussion.
- achingtooth 7y agoMy point was never that journalism is not unbiased, I was pointing out that Mozilla has a leftist bias. "Water is wet, and pointing that out brings absolutely nothing of value to the discussion." That's most of the comments on HN, the only reason I browse this place is because the rest of the internet is even worse.
- jfk13 7y agoIn principle, I could be interested in this, but they'll need a much better range of partners than what currently shows up on https://scroll.com/ https://scroll.com/ before it looks worthwhile to me. Less of the celebrity/pop-culture gossip, and more real news, please.
- alkonaut 7y agoYeah as a non-American I'd love to see WaPo/NyT as part of a $4.99 deal, but I can imagine that they are reluctant to sell access in their home market at that price.
- ecmascript 7y agolol, I'd never pay for anything that gives money to any of these companies. Firing Brendan was a bad decision.
- tomohawk 7y agoSo much for "better journalism", unless that is the new term of art for "lefty journalistic narrative". Vox employs activists like Carlos Maza who encourage violence and deplatforming.
- neves 7y agoAny non american sites? Where can I find a complete list?
- swebs 7y agoWow, all of those are considered far left sources according to mediabiasfactcheck.com, except for The Atlantic, which is only center left. I don't want to pay $5 a month to only hear one side of the story.
- pjc50 7y agoAnd who is this mediabiasfactcheck.com? Is it bias all the way down? It appears to be some guy called Dave Van Zandt. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Media_Bias/Fact_Check https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Media_Bias/Fact_Check > "Until October 2018 MBFC rated China's Xinhua News Agency as "least biased",[205] but the rating has since changed to the somewhat more reasonable "left-center bias".[206] Xinhua has been criticized by Reporters Without Borders as being the "world's biggest propaganda agency",[207][208] and is regarded by Wikipedia as a source "to treat carefully"" Are you sure that Buzzfeed is to the left of the Communist Party official outlet?
- belorn 7y agoDo you prefer the study from harvard? https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud They define buzzfeed as center-left.
- dewey 7y agoWhat's up with all these comments pointing out that "they are all far left sources" suddenly? Did this thread get posted in some other community and there's an influx of these users now?
- malvosenior 7y agoThe user you're responding to has been on HN since 2013. A lot of people are just really tired of the single point of view that's so prevalent (and pushed so aggressively) in our industry.
- krastanov 7y ago"Left" and "far left" are usually considered two different things... And this website rates them simply as left. But the rest of your comment is very pertinent, I do hope they include a wider variety of sources.
- combatentropy 7y agoThis is the second project I've seen by Mozilla whose page is light on details, with no obvious way to find out more. The first was Firefox Lockwise, https://lockwise.firefox.com/ https://lockwise.firefox.com/ There's just a button to get it. Well, I want to learn more before I commit to something, and I think others would too.