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It’s probably one of the reasons for his departure. According to Ive, Apple is no longer pursuing design for the sake of design and it’s instead going for produ

It’s probably one of the reasons for his departure. According to Ive, Apple is no longer pursuing design for the sake of design and it’s instead going for products that work but in a more “mundane” form. And this somehow is a bad thing.

_ph_ 7y ago
I don't think Apple has pursued design for the sake of design until very recently. Apple devices traditionally combined great design with good functionality. The G5 iMac was not only beautiful but you could open it up in a minute with a simple screwdriver. Only the current generation of iMacs hat the whole device literally glued together, so that any access to internals turned into an expensive repair bill. My late 2008 Unibody MacBook hat a door which opened with a latch and gave access to the battery and hard disk. In a body that looks very much like my 2015 MB Pro. For quite a while, MB Pros might have been difficult to open, but you still could access battery, memory and SSD.
- close04 7y ago
  > I don't think Apple has pursued design for the sake of design until very recently. Most likely. But Ive saw that the senior layers being stacked against him and his vision over the past few years. I think this was best for everyone. Consumers included.
lioeters 7y ago
..which reminds me of that article that keep resurfacing on HN, "choose boring technology". I'd think most of us would prefer practicality over style - but then again, it's hard not to fall for the attraction of "chasing the new shiny". It's the price and risk of innovation, I suppose. Edit: A few month after I got my 2013 MBP, I spilt a full cup of coffee onto it. Opened up the laptop, wiped it down, and the keyboard is still working fine. Also replaced boot drive to SSD and maxed out the memory beyond recommended specs. I doubt the 2015~ models are so "boring", repairable and extensible..
killjoywashere 7y ago
Ive said that? Link please?
- close04 7y ago
  Not in so many words but this is what reports claim [0]. The "for the sake of design" was obviously my addition because that's the real life implication of his "focus on design": great looking but less functional products. > Ive came to feel that the company had lost its focus on design as key senior roles were stacked with operations and business-focused personnel I read this as "they were less focused on design even when that design ended up costing the business". [0] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/report-describing-jony-ives-apple-exit-gains-a-sharp-response-from-tim-cook/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/report-describing-jo...

_ph_ 7y ago

I don't think Apple has pursued design for the sake of design until very recently. Apple devices traditionally combined great design with good functionality. The G5 iMac was not only beautiful but you could open it up in a minute with a simple screwdriver. Only the current generation of iMacs hat the whole device literally glued together, so that any access to internals turned into an expensive repair bill. My late 2008 Unibody MacBook hat a door which opened with a latch and gave access to the battery and hard disk. In a body that looks very much like my 2015 MB Pro. For quite a while, MB Pros might have been difficult to open, but you still could access battery, memory and SSD.

close04 7y ago
> I don't think Apple has pursued design for the sake of design until very recently. Most likely. But Ive saw that the senior layers being stacked against him and his vision over the past few years. I think this was best for everyone. Consumers included.

lioeters 7y ago

..which reminds me of that article that keep resurfacing on HN, "choose boring technology". I'd think most of us would prefer practicality over style - but then again, it's hard not to fall for the attraction of "chasing the new shiny". It's the price and risk of innovation, I suppose. Edit: A few month after I got my 2013 MBP, I spilt a full cup of coffee onto it. Opened up the laptop, wiped it down, and the keyboard is still working fine. Also replaced boot drive to SSD and maxed out the memory beyond recommended specs. I doubt the 2015~ models are so "boring", repairable and extensible..

killjoywashere 7y ago

Ive said that? Link please?

close04 7y ago
Not in so many words but this is what reports claim [0]. The "for the sake of design" was obviously my addition because that's the real life implication of his "focus on design": great looking but less functional products. > Ive came to feel that the company had lost its focus on design as key senior roles were stacked with operations and business-focused personnel I read this as "they were less focused on design even when that design ended up costing the business". [0] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/report-describing-jony-ives-apple-exit-gains-a-sharp-response-from-tim-cook/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/report-describing-jo...