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"The highest temperature ever recorded at Anchorage’s official station was 85 degrees"
by iamzozo 7y ago
"The highest temperature ever recorded at Anchorage’s official station was 85 degrees"
- StreamBright 7y agoYes so in the last ~100 years it was the highest. How about 1000 years or 100000? Why is only the last 100 years relevant in the context of climate?
- ForHackernews 7y agoIt's never changed this suddenly and dramatically before: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
- alecmg 7y agoAgain arbitrary cutoff at 20000BC. Lets pick the peak of last ice age and be amazed because since then we are only getting warmer. Lets also add some exponent predictions in the end, because it worked out so well for Lisa Simpson teeth. I like xkcd, but this is not their best work.
- ForHackernews 7y agoSure, whatever. Honestly, I'm tired of arguing with denialists. Really, I do hope that it turns out you're correct and know better than almost every climate scientist on earth. At this point irrational hope is about the only hope left, so sure. Let's say you're right. Everything is fine. Natural cycles. Whatever.
- olah_1 7y ago>I'm tired of arguing with denialists I don't think that guy is denying anything. He's merely stating that the earth has gone through drastic changes _many_ times in the past. What makes this change the final one before earth is incapable of sustaining life?
- ForHackernews 7y agoNobody sensible says Earth will be incapable of sustaining life. Jellyfish, for example, are predicted to flourish in a warming ocean depleted of fish stocks. I think it still it's an open question whether modern human civilization will survive these changes. Today, people are already dying of heat and rioting for lack of water: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_heat_wave_in_India_and_Pakistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_heat_wave_in_India_and_Pa... If society does collapse from drought, famine, resource wars, etc., then will we be able to rebuild it without all the free energy from fossil fuels, or was that a one-time cheat code? Maybe we're looking at the Great Filter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
- darepublic 7y agoRight now society is monolithic. As individuals we are part of a highly coupled system and we would die without it. What we need are small communities that are independently self sustaining. That will be much more robust and eco friendly I believe
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoAnd would literally put us back to the stone age. Even the neolithic had trade networks.
- darepublic 7y agoDon't think you understood my meaning. Trade community and tech are all good things and can coexist with self sustaining communities
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoPlease break down what you mean by self-sustaining for me then - tech is super specialized, requiring special resources to construct. There is very little of modern standards that you can self sustain - really, food is about it, and for everything else you need trade, and can't self sustain.
- Retric 7y agoWe use 100 years as a benchmark for weather events like floods. As to why I guess it’s a good benchmark for living memory.
- StreamBright 7y agoSo I guess there is no scientific reason, just living memory. For me such articles just lack the scientific merit and the only purpose is trying to cause mass hysteria. Earlier it was about how we all going the freeze to death, nowadays it is how we are all going to die because of global warming. In fact Earth went through several warm and cool periods, even if you look back just few hundred years. I am all for reducing CO2 and I am pretty successfully reduced unnecessary CO2 production in my work by using more efficient solutions and not wasting energy because this is what is under my control to help mother Earth. Writing click baity articles without context and scientific merit is not going to help anybody.
- ryder9 7y agoso now the narrative has shifted from denial to "hysteria" & "clickbait" eh?
- aoeaoeaoe 7y agoNot for Peter Moore, his narrative has always been consistent, that's why Greenpeace erased him from founders on their website.
- StreamBright 7y agoYes because he revised his views on nuclear. "Moore co-chaired the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition, which was supported by the Nuclear Energy Institute, a national organization of pro-nuclear industries.[59] In 2009, as co-chair of the Coalition, he suggested that the mainstream media and the environmentalist movement is not as opposed to nuclear energy as in decades past.[59] He argues that any realistic plan to reduce reliance on fossil fuels or greenhouse gas emissions would require increased use of nuclear energy to supply baseload power."
- bregma 7y agoIf it bleeds it leads. Don't worry about climate change, we're all going to have bled to death first.
- geoid 7y agoMaybe because our whole way of life and industrial food production is adapted to the current conditions?
- tzs 7y agoBecause the context is the effects humans are having on climate, which were minimal 1000 years ago and nearly nonexistent 100000 years ago.