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While the article is interesting, it's a site that's annoying. I use the keyboard to navigate articles frequently. This site intercepts keyboard commands - pag

While the article is interesting, it's a site that's annoying. I use the keyboard to navigate articles frequently. This site intercepts keyboard commands - page up/down does nothing, arrow keys select specific elements rather than letting me scroll down. Worse, the article does not load at all if you turn javascript off. I spent a few minutes trying to figure out where the actual content loads from (since the page itself doesn't contain it and just references JS) - but gave up. I can't see why they've made these choices, it doesn't seem to give any better UX than just having HTML and some CSS would.

omgmog 7y ago
I would guess that it would be because Notion is mostly designed to be used as a personal note-taking/todo/trello app (which it's great at!) Though it's possible to "publish" or share your notes it doesn't look like a well designed use of the platform.
- userbinator 7y ago
  More irritatingly, Google's cache appears to have it available, but says "404" if you actually try to access the cached version (my usual workaround for these JS-only-app-sites.) Though it's possible to "publish" or share your notes it doesn't look like a well designed use of the platform. If you are actually editing the content then I agree that using JS makes sense and could be obligatory; but then, sharing/publishing content in what should obviously be a read-only form should really turn it into a static page. It'd save them some bandwidth too, given that readers really do not need all the functionality the JS has. (The app-*.js on that page is over 4MB!) Unfortunately common sense is not so common.
bjackman 7y ago
I also couldn't highlight text in Firefox for Android
- Washuu 7y ago
  Can not even middle click to open a link. It breaks everything about usability.
iddan 7y ago
I sent the discussion to the Notion support
Aengeuad 7y ago
Middle mouse click to open a link in a new tab also tries to open the link in a popup window, which Firefox promptly blocks and warns you about.
krisrm 7y ago
As a dumb workaround to just read the article, opening the print preview dialog makes it scrollable with the keyboard. Though, Ctrl-P seems to be intercepted to... search? sigh.
rkagerer 7y ago
Agreed. The content of the article is fantastic, but I encountered this usability issue too. Home/End didn't work either.
sbr464 7y ago
I agree. Also (using the Notion iPhone app), the copy link in the menu doesn’t work, and the keyboard gets stuck open.
justinclift 7y ago
Started using Notion for a new job just over a week ago... and Notion is terrible. Literally the worst web application I've ever used, and that's saying something. Even the most basic Markdown supporting wiki outclasses it by far. Using Firefox, the simplest things are completely broken (eg middle mouse click to open a new tab doesn't work). Page up/down (as you mention), let alone home and end keys. All broken. Apparently they weren't aware of the problem, and test on Chrome, Firefox, and Safari. Yet this is basic 101 functionality. So pretty solidly doubt they have any kind of release testing at all. If anyone out there is considering Notion, for a not-100% Chrome using audience, look elsewhere. It's crap and will actively annoy your audience.

omgmog 7y ago

I would guess that it would be because Notion is mostly designed to be used as a personal note-taking/todo/trello app (which it's great at!) Though it's possible to "publish" or share your notes it doesn't look like a well designed use of the platform.

userbinator 7y ago
More irritatingly, Google's cache appears to have it available, but says "404" if you actually try to access the cached version (my usual workaround for these JS-only-app-sites.) Though it's possible to "publish" or share your notes it doesn't look like a well designed use of the platform. If you are actually editing the content then I agree that using JS makes sense and could be obligatory; but then, sharing/publishing content in what should obviously be a read-only form should really turn it into a static page. It'd save them some bandwidth too, given that readers really do not need all the functionality the JS has. (The app-*.js on that page is over 4MB!) Unfortunately common sense is not so common.

bjackman 7y ago

I also couldn't highlight text in Firefox for Android

Washuu 7y ago
Can not even middle click to open a link. It breaks everything about usability.

iddan 7y ago

I sent the discussion to the Notion support

Aengeuad 7y ago

Middle mouse click to open a link in a new tab also tries to open the link in a popup window, which Firefox promptly blocks and warns you about.

krisrm 7y ago

As a dumb workaround to just read the article, opening the print preview dialog makes it scrollable with the keyboard. Though, Ctrl-P seems to be intercepted to... search? sigh.

rkagerer 7y ago

Agreed. The content of the article is fantastic, but I encountered this usability issue too. Home/End didn't work either.

sbr464 7y ago

I agree. Also (using the Notion iPhone app), the copy link in the menu doesn’t work, and the keyboard gets stuck open.

justinclift 7y ago

Started using Notion for a new job just over a week ago... and Notion is terrible. Literally the worst web application I've ever used, and that's saying something. Even the most basic Markdown supporting wiki outclasses it by far. Using Firefox, the simplest things are completely broken (eg middle mouse click to open a new tab doesn't work). Page up/down (as you mention), let alone home and end keys. All broken. Apparently they weren't aware of the problem, and test on Chrome, Firefox, and Safari. Yet this is basic 101 functionality. So pretty solidly doubt they have any kind of release testing at all. If anyone out there is considering Notion, for a not-100% Chrome using audience, look elsewhere. It's crap and will actively annoy your audience.