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> This is not a known result. And without actually doing the implementation that question will never get answered. But logic suggests they would help only bec

by jussij 7y ago

> This is not a known result. And without actually doing the implementation that question will never get answered. But logic suggests they would help only because, with the exceptions of bugs in the system, the av: . would not drive drunk . would not speed . would not run red lights . would not get tired . has better reaction times than humans . has better eyesight than humans . is not distracted by mobile phones, passengers or pretty girls/guys walking on the foot path . is not susceptible to road rage . etc etc.

AdieuToLogic 7y ago
>> This is not a known result. > And without actually doing the implementation that question will never get answered. Exactly. Which is why it is imperative the engineering community does not assume outcomes beforehand. Much of the concerns you list I agree are likely benefits, with the "not drive drunk", "not get tired", and "not susceptible to road rage" items being a near certainty due to eliminating biological aspects. What autonomous vehicles might not be better at could be: . snow . black ice . mud . severe thunderstorms . able to operate in high dust environments . adapting to rapid unexpected operating conditions . when to run a red light (emergencies, external threats, some combination of conditions above) Are these edge conditions? Maybe. Or you could call them functional requirements not often discussed. All I'm saying is that there is a lot more to general-purpose driving than what can be shown in a limited setting. IOW, show me an autonomous vehicle which can complete the Paris-Dakar Rally[0] and I'll show you someone who will say it's time for people to stop driving ;-). 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar_Rally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar_Rally EDIT: formatting
- mapcars 7y ago
  Humans learned to drive for years, initially, we will be better, but as time goes there is no chance against an automated solution. The whole industrialization process is just this and there were problems and bad things happened, but it works in the end.
majewsky 7y ago
I like how you buried that huge "if" in your second sentence: > with the exceptions of bugs in the system
- jussij 7y ago
  I specifically added that clarification only because I suspected without it, the argument would have been but what happens when a bug in the software causes the av to crash where as humans don't face have that problem types of arguments. Being a software developer I have no doubt there will be bugs in these av software system. But these systems will also include many fail safe overrides designed to minimize the impact of these occasional bugs.
6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
>And without actually doing the implementation that question will never get answered. That's BS. You can answer these questions with rigorous research (or a slow rollout).

by jussij 7y ago

AdieuToLogic 7y ago

>> This is not a known result. > And without actually doing the implementation that question will never get answered. Exactly. Which is why it is imperative the engineering community does not assume outcomes beforehand. Much of the concerns you list I agree are likely benefits, with the "not drive drunk", "not get tired", and "not susceptible to road rage" items being a near certainty due to eliminating biological aspects. What autonomous vehicles might not be better at could be: . snow . black ice . mud . severe thunderstorms . able to operate in high dust environments . adapting to rapid unexpected operating conditions . when to run a red light (emergencies, external threats, some combination of conditions above) Are these edge conditions? Maybe. Or you could call them functional requirements not often discussed. All I'm saying is that there is a lot more to general-purpose driving than what can be shown in a limited setting. IOW, show me an autonomous vehicle which can complete the Paris-Dakar Rally[0] and I'll show you someone who will say it's time for people to stop driving ;-). 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar_Rally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar_Rally EDIT: formatting

mapcars 7y ago
Humans learned to drive for years, initially, we will be better, but as time goes there is no chance against an automated solution. The whole industrialization process is just this and there were problems and bad things happened, but it works in the end.

majewsky 7y ago

I like how you buried that huge "if" in your second sentence: > with the exceptions of bugs in the system

jussij 7y ago
I specifically added that clarification only because I suspected without it, the argument would have been but what happens when a bug in the software causes the av to crash where as humans don't face have that problem types of arguments. Being a software developer I have no doubt there will be bugs in these av software system. But these systems will also include many fail safe overrides designed to minimize the impact of these occasional bugs.

6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago

>And without actually doing the implementation that question will never get answered. That's BS. You can answer these questions with rigorous research (or a slow rollout).