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I know sharing feelings is risky around here but I'm gonna go out on a limb and share: it discourages me and deeply angers me that people are out here having to
by macawfish 7y ago
I know sharing feelings is risky around here but I'm gonna go out on a limb and share: it discourages me and deeply angers me that people are out here having to fight for six years to plant a vegetable garden in their yard. This is very grim.
It's gonna take the kind of courage and patience exemplified by Hermine Ricketts and Tom Carroll to grow in the ways we need to grow to survive and evolve as a species.
We need to remember who we are.
- keyle 7y agoI share my feelings all the time on HN. And I get a roller coaster of up and down votes... Never stop sharing your feelings, otherwise what's the point of a community. I think you should always be encouraged to share your point of view, whether I agree or not (in this case I do), and only get downvoted if you're just flat out spreading misinformation. I often upvote opinions I don't agree to on the basis that they make their case in a valid way.
- wizardforhire 7y agoI second this and will add that often, our value in these discussions come from our dissenting opinions as result of our experience. Rather than shying from, we should be embracing and encouraging our diversity of opinions as a community. Or as a wise sage once said to me... “fuck your eggshells” which for me has been a very handy approach... balanced with compassion and patience of course.
- saalweachter 7y agoWhat's the point of collecting HN karma if you're not going to spend it occasionally voicing unpopular opinions and making cheap sarcastic replies?
- flukus 7y agoWell there's the dopamine hit for getting likes. Likes are probably the most destructive drug in society.
- mrhappyunhappy 7y agoHere, have a hit on me buddy.
- ASalazarMX 7y agoIt's not the likes people like, it's the pseudo social acceptance. Being downvoted would be like social rejection, a hit to your reputation. As much as I would love to downvote some Facebook posts, I think they did well at allowing only positive reinforcement. If you don't care, you just don't interact. If someone managed to find a solution to destructive comments everywhere, that would be awesome.
- inamberclad 7y agoThere's no point since you'll be downvoted to the abyssal plane and nobody will see your comment.
- enriquto 7y ago> There's no point since you'll be downvoted to the abyssal plane and nobody will see your comment. We are quite a bunch of people who start reading the comment threads from below!
- briantakita 7y agoSometimes it's a badge of honor to get a bunch of downvotes. It's validation that a "sacred cow" has been cooked into tasty burgers.
- mythrwy 7y agoThe fun part is when those you have disagreed with other threads follow you about to downvote unrelated comments. I expect they feel that they are on a crusade of righteousness of some sort.
- ScottBurson 7y agoSorry, had to upvote this!
- enraged_camel 7y ago
- aldoushuxley001 7y agoIt’s always worth it, but at this rate I’m never gonna get to that vaunted 500 HN karma so I can express my disagreement on comments too (I.e. downvoting)
- undersuit 7y agoSee, you think 500 karma is something to aim for but then you get it and you can't downvote half the comments you want to because that person has 2000 karma.
- zaroth 7y agoIs that actually a thing?
- spacemanmatt 7y agoi only have like 1200 and i can dv anything
- dTal 7y agoI don't think that's how it works. You can't downvote replies to your posts, and you can't downvote a post over 24 hours old.
- hoseja 7y agoDang will come and politely stomp on your neck.
- fit2rule 7y ago"Are we in dang-erous?" 'Yeah baby, you bet we are DANGEROUS!` EDIT: If you have too many scrawny kids on your lawn, get out the hose or get a new lawn. Also, GROW YOUR OWN!
- leppr 7y ago> evolve as a species This seems to be a very American problem. Maybe it's the deep conviction that they are operating as part of a fair system (thanks to it having hijacked the name "Democracy") that legitimizes American regulators in their overreach ?
- bsder 7y ago> This seems to be a very American problem. It's a "99% of my financial value is in my house" problem. Once you have that, everybody starts making laws around that. If housing wasn't so much of people's net worth (a la Japan), these issues would be less severe.
- cm2012 7y agoI assure you, the Japanese have their own HOA type rules and laws to be annoyed at.
- ScottBurson 7y agoJust a few months ago I read an article about zoning laws in Japan. They have them, but as I recall from the article, they're quite a bit less restrictive than such laws tend to be in the US.
- dredmorbius 7y agoI think you've nailed the problem. Any alternate wealth stores you can think of?
- solveit 7y agoStock, bonds and a small amount of cash? Maybe some in commodities?
- lotsofpulp 7y agoPrimary housing let’s everyday people use 5% down, plus the mortgage interest tax deduction, plus the desire to spend extra to be in a good school district (meaning surrounded by others earning as much or more), means people concentrate their wealth in their house.
- suyash 7y agoIt's not you, the mods are complete idiots on HN - best way to kill a healthy discussion/debate before it even starts.
- PhasmaFelis 7y agoGetting downvoted by other users isn't a mod problem.
- RomanBob 7y ago> in the front yard on the grounds that they were unsightly. With the stupid reasoning of subjective aesthetic no less. It is almost as stupid as circumcising babies because it 'looks better'. So many problems can be traced back to the stupid ideal of suburban homes with meticulous lawn neighbourhood.
- pas 7y agoI mean. They know what they were getting into presumably. I live in a 24 flat complex, we have meetings at least every year, there's a law governing these HOA things. And if the community decides they want to paint the walls black, then the walls will be black. (Because a simple majority is enough for that.) And so on. I know nothing about this particular case, and usually courts are pretty reasonable about these, so I guess this was a rather egregious edge case of community self-governance, but on the other hand it's not a bad thing that people can form communities and have some ground rules (bylaws). Sects are bad, monopolies are bad too, and there is a nice little Goldilocks zone, a balanced mix of rules that empower every individual at the same time, and so on. (Hence circumcising without consent is bad.) These are always trade offs, but when it comes to housing, usually people don't want to live in communities that they don't fit into anyway. (Of course again, bigotry is bad, racial/ideological/financial segregation is bad.)
- mcv 7y agoIt baffles me that Americans call their country "the land of the free", but apparently they're not even allowed to plant vegetables in their yard. They're allowed to shoot someone on their own land apparently (only in certain situations I'm sure, but still), but they're not allowed to plant harmless and useful vegetables, because someone thinks it's "unsightly".
- lotsofpulp 7y agoThe “home of the brave” part is also funny since US voters are down to forego civil liberties at the slightest hint of risk, and most everyone is engaging in cover your ass behavior if they have any sort of assets or income potential.
- GoToRO 7y agoUS only. In the rest of the world you will not have these kind of problems. Referring to "we need to grow to survive and evolve as a species"... Also it happens in US because they afford it. Once they can't afford it anymore, everybody will agree that it's OK to plant a garden.
- em-bee 7y agogermany has plenty of absurd zoning laws too. for example in many places the architecture of your house has to match the neighborhoods style. another example i just recently read right here on HN is that split aircon units are not allowed in many places because they make the walls look ugly. that fits right up there with blocking unsightly vegetables.
- spookybones 7y agoI can’t decide if I should be thankful for lawyers fighting to end the policy or pissed at them for establishing it in the first place. I’m leaning towards the latter.
- dang 7y ago> I know sharing feelings is risky around here Please don't include bait like this in your comments. It triggers avalanches of offtopicness. (It's also not true—people share their feelings on HN all the time, and are welcome to, as long as the comments are substantive. The only kind of feeling-sharing that isn't cool is ragey venting with no information.)