4 ms·

Overbearing youtube, 10 years from now if it's still a medium it may be a far-cry from an expressive and genuine platform Yahoo's not the place it was in its h

Overbearing youtube, 10 years from now if it's still a medium it may be a far-cry from an expressive and genuine platform Yahoo's not the place it was in its heyday. Facebook's not the place it was in its heyday. Even Google's not the place it was 10 years ago. I don't think anyone is immune. The best you can do it to make sure the trajectory is positive. Netflix isn't the place it used to be. I think that's positive, though. How long until biohacking, and other things are blocked based on the same sensitivity triggers for the topic? All the really cool stuff should disappear from YouTube. That's just the natural order of things. They no longer want to be edgy. They want to be fat and happy off those big establishment corporate dollars. They've positioned themselves to be the next cable. That just means they want to be the current "vast wasteland." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_and_the_Public_Interest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_and_the_Public_Inte... The faster YouTube becomes the next cable, the better. The less time the public discourse spends squished under the pressing thumb of the corporate oligarchs, the better.

no-like-no-sub 7y ago
>"Be sure to hit that like button and subscribe!" When I hear this standard YouTuber meme, I always trip hard over the dislike button and never quite make it to subscribe. :^)
- realusername 7y ago
  They have to say it because otherwise people don't subscribe. I know some youtubers who never did it hut had to resort to saying it because their subscriber numbers where stagnating otherwise.
  - 8bitchemistry 7y ago
    Then there are refreshing youtube channels like "Primitive Technology" where he never says a word and manages to end up with 9.5 million subscribers...
  - AndrewUnmuted 7y ago
    But you know... people CAN just be ok with their subscriber numbers stagnating a bit. Whoring for likes/subscribes is desperate and it cheapens the hell out of your art. It may give you more likes/subscribes but there are other great things that come from artistic creation than the pitifully minimal effort required by the clicking of a button.
    - Cederfjard 7y ago
      It isn't always about art though? If more subscribers equal more views over time which in turns equals more ad revenue, then I can't blame someone who's trying to make a living for doing something that might come across as cheap to some.
    - indigochill 7y ago
      As I understand, it's not about the likes/subscribes, really, but that at subscriber count directly translated to more favorable monetization terms for the content creator. That is, they're basically internet buskers.
  - Applejinx 7y ago
    I need to experiment with this. I don't say that mantra and my channel is slowly growing (by about 100% a year and starting to do a hockey-stick curve, but starting from very little). I should take a minute at the end of a video (or even the beginning!) to make a case for supporting the actual channel, on the grounds of it'll help the message get out. I can phrase it as 'like OR DISLIKE and subscribe and click the bell icon', and explain how the dislike button is the same thing (both go to 'engagement') plus a little feedback for me the creator. So you can help the channel AND try steering me away from more channel-whoring by disliking and subscribing. Hell, maybe it helps you more. Please dislike and subscribe :D
xtracto 7y ago
What I am worried is that a lot of the "cool stuff" is disappearing from the web. I remember back in the day (late 90's) we had CrackStore, Phrack, Fravia, DeCSS, the box.sk domains a vibrant reverse-eng. community and a lot of really cool content. Nowadays with the USA policing a lot of that content has disappeared, and slowly people are pushed not to do new content. There are some very small efforts in some subreddits, but a lot of this is pushed to the underground, where it is difficult to find.
- thevardanian 7y ago
  In fact are there any other good gathering places than some obscure subreddits?
  - sterlind 7y ago
    Discord? I've had good luck with chat rooms these days.
  - Sabinus 7y ago
    Can anyone recommend any good obscure subreddits? I have trouble finding new content.
    - thevardanian 7y ago
      It depends on what you're interested in. There's virtually one for any topic.
  - Applejinx 7y ago
    Subreddits are weird. Because of how Reddit works, it's awful easy for the place to be governed by state actors and various coordinated brigades. So you can be there, sure, but if you're in the wrong place with information someone doesn't want seen, it won't do you a lot of good as you'll get the "oh look, 25 downvotes in a matter of seconds, someone's on point today" effect. It's REAL easy to police Reddit and enforce your agenda if you're organized and have teams of bots or sockpuppets.
pizzazzaro 7y ago
Short of moving hacking tutorials to pornhub, is there anywhere out there more interested in serving our fringe cases?
- sn_master 7y ago
  archive.org ?
- dannyw 7y ago
  PeerTube!
- mr__y 7y ago
  I'm not sure if using hidden services is considered a viable solution here on HN, but it seems to to me to be the solution. Don't know any video streaming services but I assume that such sites already exist. The main selling point would be relative difficulty to take down a specific video through a legal action. I assume that youtube takedowns are either results of complaints/legal threats that they have received or a preemptive action to avoid such legal problems happening in future, i.e. their legal department assessed that the risk of such motions in future to be likely. On the other hand, considering bandwidth requirements for video streaming deanonymization of such service appears to be relatively easy, hence possibly some service centered around ipfs would be viable.

no-like-no-sub 7y ago

>"Be sure to hit that like button and subscribe!" When I hear this standard YouTuber meme, I always trip hard over the dislike button and never quite make it to subscribe. :^)

realusername 7y ago
They have to say it because otherwise people don't subscribe. I know some youtubers who never did it hut had to resort to saying it because their subscriber numbers where stagnating otherwise.
- 8bitchemistry 7y ago
  Then there are refreshing youtube channels like "Primitive Technology" where he never says a word and manages to end up with 9.5 million subscribers...
- AndrewUnmuted 7y ago
  But you know... people CAN just be ok with their subscriber numbers stagnating a bit. Whoring for likes/subscribes is desperate and it cheapens the hell out of your art. It may give you more likes/subscribes but there are other great things that come from artistic creation than the pitifully minimal effort required by the clicking of a button.
  - Cederfjard 7y ago
    It isn't always about art though? If more subscribers equal more views over time which in turns equals more ad revenue, then I can't blame someone who's trying to make a living for doing something that might come across as cheap to some.
  - indigochill 7y ago
    As I understand, it's not about the likes/subscribes, really, but that at subscriber count directly translated to more favorable monetization terms for the content creator. That is, they're basically internet buskers.
- Applejinx 7y ago
  I need to experiment with this. I don't say that mantra and my channel is slowly growing (by about 100% a year and starting to do a hockey-stick curve, but starting from very little). I should take a minute at the end of a video (or even the beginning!) to make a case for supporting the actual channel, on the grounds of it'll help the message get out. I can phrase it as 'like OR DISLIKE and subscribe and click the bell icon', and explain how the dislike button is the same thing (both go to 'engagement') plus a little feedback for me the creator. So you can help the channel AND try steering me away from more channel-whoring by disliking and subscribing. Hell, maybe it helps you more. Please dislike and subscribe :D

xtracto 7y ago

What I am worried is that a lot of the "cool stuff" is disappearing from the web. I remember back in the day (late 90's) we had CrackStore, Phrack, Fravia, DeCSS, the box.sk domains a vibrant reverse-eng. community and a lot of really cool content. Nowadays with the USA policing a lot of that content has disappeared, and slowly people are pushed not to do new content. There are some very small efforts in some subreddits, but a lot of this is pushed to the underground, where it is difficult to find.

thevardanian 7y ago
In fact are there any other good gathering places than some obscure subreddits?
- sterlind 7y ago
  Discord? I've had good luck with chat rooms these days.
- Sabinus 7y ago
  Can anyone recommend any good obscure subreddits? I have trouble finding new content.
  - thevardanian 7y ago
    It depends on what you're interested in. There's virtually one for any topic.
- Applejinx 7y ago
  Subreddits are weird. Because of how Reddit works, it's awful easy for the place to be governed by state actors and various coordinated brigades. So you can be there, sure, but if you're in the wrong place with information someone doesn't want seen, it won't do you a lot of good as you'll get the "oh look, 25 downvotes in a matter of seconds, someone's on point today" effect. It's REAL easy to police Reddit and enforce your agenda if you're organized and have teams of bots or sockpuppets.

pizzazzaro 7y ago

Short of moving hacking tutorials to pornhub, is there anywhere out there more interested in serving our fringe cases?

sn_master 7y ago
archive.org ?
dannyw 7y ago
PeerTube!
mr__y 7y ago
I'm not sure if using hidden services is considered a viable solution here on HN, but it seems to to me to be the solution. Don't know any video streaming services but I assume that such sites already exist. The main selling point would be relative difficulty to take down a specific video through a legal action. I assume that youtube takedowns are either results of complaints/legal threats that they have received or a preemptive action to avoid such legal problems happening in future, i.e. their legal department assessed that the risk of such motions in future to be likely. On the other hand, considering bandwidth requirements for video streaming deanonymization of such service appears to be relatively easy, hence possibly some service centered around ipfs would be viable.