I think it's a big mistake to not include at least some level of self-awareness in the definition These are the most boring sorts of arguments. You want to tal

I think it's a big mistake to not include at least some level of self-awareness in the definition These are the most boring sorts of arguments. You want to talk about only systems that have self awareness? Fine, you go do that on this side of the room. You want to talk about systems that don't necessarily have self awareness? Okay, do that on the other side of the room. If you can't decide on common definitions for words, you can't play together. You seem to be saying that there's a "special" thing, and that thing must include self awareness by your reckoning, and you call that thing "consciousness". Instead of arguing about whose definition of the word "consciousness" is better, just define that thing rigorously, call it anything you want, and then we can talk about it.