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They posted the full unedited video. It doesn't reveal anything deceptive about the editing of the first edited-for-time video. EDIT: Going to the substance -

They posted the full unedited video. It doesn't reveal anything deceptive about the editing of the first edited-for-time video. EDIT: Going to the substance - you really think Google employees don't want to prevent Trump's re-election? Because every possible indicator (campaign donations, personal speech, company policy) says that they do. The Veritas video is part of a massive pattern of evidence pointing to the same conclusion. They've got a dog in the fight, and there is no mechanism to stop them abusing their non-accountable, opaque, non-democratic power over the modern mediums of communication. Another question - If this isn't enough evidence to convince you, what would be? What's the standard or proof? Would you apply that same standard to accusations that, say, Trump wants America to be just white people? Or are you just using an isolated demand for rigor [0]? [0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demands-for-rigor/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demand...

jjulius 7y ago
>They posted the full unedited video. Got a link? >Another question - If this isn't enough evidence to convince you, what would be? What's the standard or proof? Where's your evidence and standard of proof? Please read the full dumped documents provided by PV[1] and show me where the anti-Trump/Conservative/right-wing bias is. Beyond a video with an edited interview (I honestly can't find the "full unedited video" on their site or Twitter), all PV has is some shadowy "anonymous" source whose entire credibility is called into question by PV's lengthy history of fraudulent claims. PV and you have no proof, so please don't ask us for ours - Hitchens's Razor[2] should apply here. [1]https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SS1DocDump.pdf https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SS... [2]"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
afthonos 7y ago
This isn’t about Google. I reject Project Veritas as a source of evidence. I take no public position on Google, not least because I work there and don’t speak for them. This isn’t a demand for rigor, isolated or otherwise, because I genuinely didn’t know what this was about before your comment. The history of the thread went: - Some vague statement - Someone expressing confusion - Someone else supposing it was a Project Veritas story and discarding it. - Parent to my comment asking how its parent thought the evidence was flawed. My comment was that in some cases, including this one, the source should be dismissed out of hand. No reading, no weighing evidence, nothing. In SSC terms, this source defects while wearing a T-shirt that says “I cooperate”. You don’t entertain such sources unless you want to poison your discourse and your ability to trust evidence. None of this has anything to do with whether PV’s accusation this time around is true.
- malvosenior 7y ago
  That's a really dangerous attitude to take. Are you really not curious what your own company is up to? Does it matter where the leak came from? How about this. Go to google.com and type the following: "women can" vs. "men can" The bias is clear as day and you don't need Project Veritas to tell you. There were also numerous documents leaked showing extreme left wing bias. You'll probably have seen them as an employee so it's pretty disingenuous to not address the root point (that Goolge is biased) and instead attack the messenger (Project Veritas in this case).
  - afthonos 7y ago
    I can’t address the root point in public. You’ll have to take my word for it that I didn’t know what the point was at all when I wrote about sources (though of course, being sentient, I had an idea of the kind of point it would be). My attitude would be dangerous if Project Veritas were the only entity talking about the dangers of Google. But I find, opening a news tab, that everyone is deeply aware of Google’s reach and power and how it could be problematic. So ignoring known liars doesn’t mean I’m missing vital information. As I said: someone honest is probably making those points, and I certainly listen to such people, from both sides of the aisle, and some of whom I even agree with on some points!
    - malvosenior 7y ago
      Sadly the mainstream coverage of this issue is woefully lacking. Yes, everyone knows that Google is powerful and that's dangerous but you rarely see very explicit evidence of this and how they are biased. As much as it pains you, you probably should take the 5 minutes required to watch the actual footage. At least then you'll understand why Project Veritas isn't an important part of this story and why people are strongly disagreeing with your position. Jen Gennai's words definitely speak for themselves (as do the leaked documents).
  - jjulius 7y ago
    Please source these leaked documents you're referencing. If you read through my posts, I've pointed out multiple times in this thread that the docs Project Veritas leaked pertaining to their latest Google video show no attempt at being biased, nor do they single-out right-wing/Conservative/etc. viewpoints.

jjulius 7y ago

>They posted the full unedited video. Got a link? >Another question - If this isn't enough evidence to convince you, what would be? What's the standard or proof? Where's your evidence and standard of proof? Please read the full dumped documents provided by PV[1] and show me where the anti-Trump/Conservative/right-wing bias is. Beyond a video with an edited interview (I honestly can't find the "full unedited video" on their site or Twitter), all PV has is some shadowy "anonymous" source whose entire credibility is called into question by PV's lengthy history of fraudulent claims. PV and you have no proof, so please don't ask us for ours - Hitchens's Razor[2] should apply here. [1]https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SS1DocDump.pdf https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SS... [2]"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

afthonos 7y ago

This isn’t about Google. I reject Project Veritas as a source of evidence. I take no public position on Google, not least because I work there and don’t speak for them. This isn’t a demand for rigor, isolated or otherwise, because I genuinely didn’t know what this was about before your comment. The history of the thread went: - Some vague statement - Someone expressing confusion - Someone else supposing it was a Project Veritas story and discarding it. - Parent to my comment asking how its parent thought the evidence was flawed. My comment was that in some cases, including this one, the source should be dismissed out of hand. No reading, no weighing evidence, nothing. In SSC terms, this source defects while wearing a T-shirt that says “I cooperate”. You don’t entertain such sources unless you want to poison your discourse and your ability to trust evidence. None of this has anything to do with whether PV’s accusation this time around is true.

malvosenior 7y ago
That's a really dangerous attitude to take. Are you really not curious what your own company is up to? Does it matter where the leak came from? How about this. Go to google.com and type the following: "women can" vs. "men can" The bias is clear as day and you don't need Project Veritas to tell you. There were also numerous documents leaked showing extreme left wing bias. You'll probably have seen them as an employee so it's pretty disingenuous to not address the root point (that Goolge is biased) and instead attack the messenger (Project Veritas in this case).
- afthonos 7y ago
  I can’t address the root point in public. You’ll have to take my word for it that I didn’t know what the point was at all when I wrote about sources (though of course, being sentient, I had an idea of the kind of point it would be). My attitude would be dangerous if Project Veritas were the only entity talking about the dangers of Google. But I find, opening a news tab, that everyone is deeply aware of Google’s reach and power and how it could be problematic. So ignoring known liars doesn’t mean I’m missing vital information. As I said: someone honest is probably making those points, and I certainly listen to such people, from both sides of the aisle, and some of whom I even agree with on some points!
  - malvosenior 7y ago
    Sadly the mainstream coverage of this issue is woefully lacking. Yes, everyone knows that Google is powerful and that's dangerous but you rarely see very explicit evidence of this and how they are biased. As much as it pains you, you probably should take the 5 minutes required to watch the actual footage. At least then you'll understand why Project Veritas isn't an important part of this story and why people are strongly disagreeing with your position. Jen Gennai's words definitely speak for themselves (as do the leaked documents).
- jjulius 7y ago
  Please source these leaked documents you're referencing. If you read through my posts, I've pointed out multiple times in this thread that the docs Project Veritas leaked pertaining to their latest Google video show no attempt at being biased, nor do they single-out right-wing/Conservative/etc. viewpoints.