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I don't like heroku

2 points by feydr 16y ago

blah = IO.popen("echo -e '#!/bin/sh' \"\n echo 'test';\" > /tmp/fuck.sh; chmod +x /tmp/fuck.sh; /tmp/fuck.sh").readlines I think it's pretty trivial to see where this is leading too... :) platforms like heroku make me want to pull my hair out -- not knowing things like cpu/mem usage, being able to use tools like netstat/lsof, etc.... this is why these #PAAS offering will eventually die out -- they simply don't give you what you need to scale appropriately -- now don't get me wrong, give me a barebones ec2 instance (or 200 of them) and I'll be good but this PAAS stuff -- not digging it at all

jey 16y ago
There's a lot of people who'd feel pretty lost with a barebones EC2 instance and who don't care about lsof and netstat. If their app needs to eventually scale off of Heroku, it wouldn't be that hard for someone who knows more sysadminy stuff to do the migration.
- feydr 16y ago
  I understand that there is a lot of people out there that see this as the easiest way to get something out there ASAP but for any real business -- the 'platform' is an utter joke
jaxn 16y ago
I think you are on the wrong side of history on this one. Like the people who lamented the lack of MS Dos in Windows XP or package managers in linux (I mean, if you can't ./configure;make;make install; then you shouldn't be running linux). New layers of abstraction come along and people who are experts in the now abstracted layer think the new abstractions are unnecessary and dangerous. I for one welcome PAAS. I have had good experiences with App Engine in the past and Heroku these days.
- feydr 16y ago
  it's not the 'un-necessary' part -- is the fact that not even giving out the SIMPLEST of offerings like 'how much memory is my software using?' -- 'how much memory do I have access to?" -- things like that are a given in almost ANY serious sofware project -- and if you can't have them then you have NO CLUE what you are doing and shouldn't be writing software
  - jey 16y ago
    Most webapps don't fall under your definition of "serious software project". Personally, I wouldn't be able to stand Heroku either, and would rather just boot up an EC2 instance. But I also recognize that I'm old-fashioned.
  - jaxn 16y ago
    I don't care how much memory my software is using. I care if it is performant and if it is using resources in a cost-effective manner. With Heroku I just add the New Relic plugin and I have quick access to most of the information I need to know about performance. Maybe I have "no clue", but I have been doing this for 10 years. Maybe I shouldn't be writing software - as a technical founder it is definitely my goal to spend less time writing software. Admittedly I am not working on "serious software" - I am just trying to add value by solving a common pain point for a group of people. So far Heroku has been helping me to do that faster and easier.

I don't like heroku

2 points by feydr 16y ago

jey 16y ago

There's a lot of people who'd feel pretty lost with a barebones EC2 instance and who don't care about lsof and netstat. If their app needs to eventually scale off of Heroku, it wouldn't be that hard for someone who knows more sysadminy stuff to do the migration.

feydr 16y ago
I understand that there is a lot of people out there that see this as the easiest way to get something out there ASAP but for any real business -- the 'platform' is an utter joke

jaxn 16y ago

I think you are on the wrong side of history on this one. Like the people who lamented the lack of MS Dos in Windows XP or package managers in linux (I mean, if you can't ./configure;make;make install; then you shouldn't be running linux). New layers of abstraction come along and people who are experts in the now abstracted layer think the new abstractions are unnecessary and dangerous. I for one welcome PAAS. I have had good experiences with App Engine in the past and Heroku these days.

feydr 16y ago
it's not the 'un-necessary' part -- is the fact that not even giving out the SIMPLEST of offerings like 'how much memory is my software using?' -- 'how much memory do I have access to?" -- things like that are a given in almost ANY serious sofware project -- and if you can't have them then you have NO CLUE what you are doing and shouldn't be writing software
- jey 16y ago
  Most webapps don't fall under your definition of "serious software project". Personally, I wouldn't be able to stand Heroku either, and would rather just boot up an EC2 instance. But I also recognize that I'm old-fashioned.
- jaxn 16y ago
  I don't care how much memory my software is using. I care if it is performant and if it is using resources in a cost-effective manner. With Heroku I just add the New Relic plugin and I have quick access to most of the information I need to know about performance. Maybe I have "no clue", but I have been doing this for 10 years. Maybe I shouldn't be writing software - as a technical founder it is definitely my goal to spend less time writing software. Admittedly I am not working on "serious software" - I am just trying to add value by solving a common pain point for a group of people. So far Heroku has been helping me to do that faster and easier.