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Statistically speaking, white men are far and away the highest income earners in America. They are literally the most privileged group. Until 2008, 44 of 44 of

Statistically speaking, white men are far and away the highest income earners in America. They are literally the most privileged group. Until 2008, 44 of 44 of US presidents were white men. White men dominate the Fortune 500, Wall Street, and leadership in the government. The paper also explicitly defined health justice as "a measure of the correlation of health outcomes with income, race/ethnicity and sex; and a summary health equity metric.", which doesn't sound like much of an editorialization to me.

invalidOrTaken 7y ago
Who are the highest income spenders? I'm reminded of the Seinfeld reservation bit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2GmGSNvaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2GmGSNvaM).
- save_ferris 7y ago
  I don't quite understand your point or its connection here. What are you arguing?
  - humanrebar 7y ago
    It's not the earning that matters. The spending is the important part. You can't pay for an x-ray with a W-2. Analogously, taking a reservation is pointless. Holding the reservation is the point.
- bigmanwalter 7y ago
  Usually the people who earn the most have people whose only job is spending it for them.
flahgd 7y ago
Indians and asians actually earn more than whites on average.
- Guthur 7y ago
  Whoa I didn't realise how insanely true that was. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the...
- RickJWagner 7y ago
  I think some places categorize Indians as Asians. (Not that this changes the earnings stats.)
  - scruple 7y ago
    Sure, of course, and Indians and East Asians will "correct" those people for time immemorial.
mensetmanusman 7y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/white-minority-population.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/white-minority-populat... It’s interesting that they are so privileged yet have on average decided otherwise on the future (with negative growth). Humans are interesting...
hn_throwaway_99 7y ago
Consider this: Who do you think is more privileged, with "privileged" meaning access to money, support, opportunities and potential for advancement: Will Smith's kids or a white poor guy who grew up in West Virginia? I think the point the parent is trying to make is that at any individual's level income and wealth are a far better measure of privilege than race. Yes, wealth is highly correlated with race in the US, and a lot of that has to do with legally enforced racist policies in our past. And there are also certainly some examples of privilege that do correlate more with race than income (e.g. racial profiling by law enforcement). But if your headline is "Gap between rich and poor Americans...", why not just focus on those who are actually rich and those who are actually poor.
- opnitro 7y ago
  Yes, there are white people are poorer than Will Smith. Unfortunately, if we want to do analysis of society at large, we need to look at trends. And leaving race out of class analysis tends to obscure some of the relationships at play. This is because class and our notions of race are forever entangled, not least of all because we are society predicated upon slave labor.
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- save_ferris 7y ago
  Doesn't the "most privileged group" moniker applied in the quote that parent chose to argue against do exactly what you suggest: focusing on those who are rich without race? Parent chose to explicitly label the most privileged group as white men before arguing that white men aren't actually the most privileged group, when they are in most conceivable metrics.
- DanBC 7y ago
  > Who do you think is more privileged, with "privileged" meaning access to money, support, opportunities and potential for advancement: Will Smith's kids or a white poor guy who grew up in West Virginia? This is a misunderstanding of privilege. You don't compare Smith to poor people in West Virginia, you compare him to his Hollywood peers. And there are fewer roles for black men, so yes, he is less privileged than his peers. For poor white people the situation is more complex but anyone providing services knows that poor white men face significant disadvantages across a range of indicators and they're trying to fix it.
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zebrahead 7y ago
Of the 7 chairs of the Federal Reserve since 1970, 5 were Jewish. The two gentiles collectively held the chair for 2 of those 49 years (1978-1979, and from 2018 onward). [1] 35% of the Forbes 400 are Jewish. [2] "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish." (2008) [3] 25% of Harvard students are Jewish (and 22% non-Jewish white) [4,5] Jewish people are 2% of the US population, so they are over-represented in the listed groups by a factor of 10 or more (while non-Jewish whites are under-represented) - will you claim they are "literally the most privileged group"? Or are we allowed to apply such labels only to whites? If, based on these facts, you were to make the same kind of statements about Jewish people as you so casually made about whites, do you think you'd also face no consequences? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve [2] https://racehist.blogspot.com/2013/04/2012-forbes-400-by-ethnic-origins.html https://racehist.blogspot.com/2013/04/2012-forbes-400-by-eth... [3] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein19-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein... [4] https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/The-most-heavily-Jewish-US-college-and-other-facts-about-Jews-at-American-colleges-437701 https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/The-most-heavily-Jewish-US-co... [5] https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics

invalidOrTaken 7y ago

Who are the highest income spenders? I'm reminded of the Seinfeld reservation bit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2GmGSNvaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2GmGSNvaM).

save_ferris 7y ago
I don't quite understand your point or its connection here. What are you arguing?
- humanrebar 7y ago
  It's not the earning that matters. The spending is the important part. You can't pay for an x-ray with a W-2. Analogously, taking a reservation is pointless. Holding the reservation is the point.
bigmanwalter 7y ago
Usually the people who earn the most have people whose only job is spending it for them.

flahgd 7y ago

Indians and asians actually earn more than whites on average.

Guthur 7y ago
Whoa I didn't realise how insanely true that was. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the...
RickJWagner 7y ago
I think some places categorize Indians as Asians. (Not that this changes the earnings stats.)
- scruple 7y ago
  Sure, of course, and Indians and East Asians will "correct" those people for time immemorial.

mensetmanusman 7y ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/white-minority-population.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/white-minority-populat... It’s interesting that they are so privileged yet have on average decided otherwise on the future (with negative growth). Humans are interesting...

hn_throwaway_99 7y ago

Consider this: Who do you think is more privileged, with "privileged" meaning access to money, support, opportunities and potential for advancement: Will Smith's kids or a white poor guy who grew up in West Virginia? I think the point the parent is trying to make is that at any individual's level income and wealth are a far better measure of privilege than race. Yes, wealth is highly correlated with race in the US, and a lot of that has to do with legally enforced racist policies in our past. And there are also certainly some examples of privilege that do correlate more with race than income (e.g. racial profiling by law enforcement). But if your headline is "Gap between rich and poor Americans...", why not just focus on those who are actually rich and those who are actually poor.

opnitro 7y ago
Yes, there are white people are poorer than Will Smith. Unfortunately, if we want to do analysis of society at large, we need to look at trends. And leaving race out of class analysis tends to obscure some of the relationships at play. This is because class and our notions of race are forever entangled, not least of all because we are society predicated upon slave labor.
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save_ferris 7y ago
Doesn't the "most privileged group" moniker applied in the quote that parent chose to argue against do exactly what you suggest: focusing on those who are rich without race? Parent chose to explicitly label the most privileged group as white men before arguing that white men aren't actually the most privileged group, when they are in most conceivable metrics.
DanBC 7y ago
> Who do you think is more privileged, with "privileged" meaning access to money, support, opportunities and potential for advancement: Will Smith's kids or a white poor guy who grew up in West Virginia? This is a misunderstanding of privilege. You don't compare Smith to poor people in West Virginia, you compare him to his Hollywood peers. And there are fewer roles for black men, so yes, he is less privileged than his peers. For poor white people the situation is more complex but anyone providing services knows that poor white men face significant disadvantages across a range of indicators and they're trying to fix it.

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zebrahead 7y ago

Of the 7 chairs of the Federal Reserve since 1970, 5 were Jewish. The two gentiles collectively held the chair for 2 of those 49 years (1978-1979, and from 2018 onward). [1] 35% of the Forbes 400 are Jewish. [2] "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish." (2008) [3] 25% of Harvard students are Jewish (and 22% non-Jewish white) [4,5] Jewish people are 2% of the US population, so they are over-represented in the listed groups by a factor of 10 or more (while non-Jewish whites are under-represented) - will you claim they are "literally the most privileged group"? Or are we allowed to apply such labels only to whites? If, based on these facts, you were to make the same kind of statements about Jewish people as you so casually made about whites, do you think you'd also face no consequences? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve [2] https://racehist.blogspot.com/2013/04/2012-forbes-400-by-ethnic-origins.html https://racehist.blogspot.com/2013/04/2012-forbes-400-by-eth... [3] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein19-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein... [4] https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/The-most-heavily-Jewish-US-college-and-other-facts-about-Jews-at-American-colleges-437701 https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/The-most-heavily-Jewish-US-co... [5] https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics