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sooner than later they will change their definition of morality and we all gonna pay with our freedom Just wanted to point out that I found this to be a powerf

sooner than later they will change their definition of morality and we all gonna pay with our freedom Just wanted to point out that I found this to be a powerful quote. Well said.

jerf 7y ago
It's sooner. If you dig it's not hard to find videos of highly-placed employees of these companies talking about how they plan on manipulating future elections. It goes far beyond anything that Russia has even been accused of doing in the past three years, but it's the "right people" saying it, so it's not a scandal.
- jjulius 7y ago
  Can you cite your sources?
  - corndoge 7y ago
    He's citing Project Veritas: https://spectator.org/google-removes-project-veritas-video-from-youtube/ https://spectator.org/google-removes-project-veritas-video-f... https://www.theverge.com/interface/2019/6/27/18760463/project-veritas-youtube-sting-james-okeefe https://www.theverge.com/interface/2019/6/27/18760463/projec... Just a couple google results, cbf to find the actual video, I'm not promoting any particular viewpoint etc
    - jjulius 7y ago
      Thank you. If Project Veritas is indeed what OP was referencing, then the claim can be easily dismissed without viewing the "source" footage, given Veritas' and O'Keefe's extensive history of selective editing, fraudulent claims, dubious methods and borderline entrapment[1]. Edit: If you're going to downvote me, note that I have no problem discussing why we should lend credence to claims from an individual with a long history of fraudulent claims. I am genuinely interested in hearing why we should trust anything PV produces going forward. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works
      - dekrg 7y ago
        So the recorded Google employees were deepfakes? Or are you saying that autocomplete results for "men can " in Google search are totally natural and not at all political engineering done by Google?
        komali2 7y ago
        I don't trust project veritas or its motives, at all. There will be possibly be a time in the future when we can reasonably prove our identities and all things we have done with those identities. In this future, Reputation will be at least as valuable as any other form of measure of worth, because it will also be a world filled with bullshit. In that world, we will want to be very selective with our attention, and who gets that attention. In the past, project veritas has gone out of their way to misrepresent those they are "interviewing," has lied and made hilarious, absurd, claims to "gotcha" people. They engage in rhetorical dishonesty and fallacy. They aren't worth anyone's time. I won't waste my valuable attention and time "disproving" every heaping pile of dung that Veritas shits out. They already lost my trust ages ago.
        jjulius 7y ago
        Thanks for chiming in here. I just read through the original PV post[1] and also skimmed through some of the documents in PV's "Doc Dump"[2] related to the article. The documents they dumped don't have a political bias to them - they're literally about trying to get factual/fair news displayed to people as best as possible. Beyond that, I'm not even going to bother with videos. Like you said, O'Keefe has a very selective/gotcha method of editing his videos, and his claims and methods have long been both suspect and invalidated. Were I to have found anything worthwhile in the documents they dumped or the quotes in the article on their site, I might have given the video a view, but there's nothing "suspect" against Google in the dumped documents to begin with. This, like most other PV work, is bogus. [1]https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/ https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis... [2]https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SS1DocDump.pdf https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SS...
  - weaksauce 7y ago
    If they are talking about the project veritas video from supposed googlers... yeah, project veritas has been thouroughly discredited for a long time now.
    - chrisco255 7y ago
      No more so than CNN.
      - douglasisshiny 7y ago
        Every video project veritas has produced has been thoroughly debunked. There's plenty to be critical of regarding CNN, but they do still put out news.
  - jlawson 7y ago
    Probably referring most recently to the Project Veritas video where a Google exec talked about how they're going to work on "preventing the next Trump situation" and how if Google is broken up, the smaller companies won't have the resources to do that. Lots of other such leaks and material also pointing to political manipulation by Google in this. There were some Congressional hearings about it recently. The video was banned by both YouTube and Vimeo on some flimsy pretext. This by itself reinforces the image of a cabal of megacorporations consolidating control over public mindshare and, by extension, the government itself. Of course the mainstream media (CNN, NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, etc) also totally buried the story. Here it is on BitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/
    - jjulius 7y ago
      This is what I posted in response to someone else: If Project Veritas is indeed what OP was referencing, then the claim can be easily dismissed without viewing the "source" footage, given Veritas' and O'Keefe's extensive history of selective editing, fraudulent claims, dubious methods and borderline entrapment[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works
      - drak0n1c 7y ago
        They post the entire unedited footage soon after the initial reveal, for years now. That's much better than CNN, MSNBC, Fox, late night shows, etc. Should the findings of muckrakers be discarded because the practice of muckraking is dishonorable?
        jjulius 7y ago
        And how many times (ACORN, NPR, etc.) have the full versions of those videos shown something different than what the edited versions portrayed? It's been six days since the "initial reveal"[1] of the video and documents (which, if you read them, are incredibly unbiased). Care to share a link to the entire unedited footage of these new interviews? [1]https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/ https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis...
- jjwhitaker 7y ago
  I don't put much faith in videos made by known con artists who until yesterday were up for felony charges. Not sure why some set of the internet clings to them either.
StudentStuff 7y ago
This is why I find the Fediverse so compelling, PeerTube is already starting to get traction: https://joinpeertube.org/en/#register https://joinpeertube.org/en/#register Neat instances to check out: https://pe.ertu.be/ https://pe.ertu.be/ https://queertube.org/ https://queertube.org/ This genre of distributed, lower resource usage social platform is rather enjoyable (for me). Hopefully Rustodon, Florence, PixelFed & Lemmy also continue developing, as this can be a compelling alternative to the FAANGs ecosystem. Edit: formatting

sooner than later they will change their definition of morality and we all gonna pay with our freedom Just wanted to point out that I found this to be a powerful quote. Well said.

jerf 7y ago

It's sooner. If you dig it's not hard to find videos of highly-placed employees of these companies talking about how they plan on manipulating future elections. It goes far beyond anything that Russia has even been accused of doing in the past three years, but it's the "right people" saying it, so it's not a scandal.

jjulius 7y ago
Can you cite your sources?
- corndoge 7y ago
  He's citing Project Veritas: https://spectator.org/google-removes-project-veritas-video-from-youtube/ https://spectator.org/google-removes-project-veritas-video-f... https://www.theverge.com/interface/2019/6/27/18760463/project-veritas-youtube-sting-james-okeefe https://www.theverge.com/interface/2019/6/27/18760463/projec... Just a couple google results, cbf to find the actual video, I'm not promoting any particular viewpoint etc
  - jjulius 7y ago
    Thank you. If Project Veritas is indeed what OP was referencing, then the claim can be easily dismissed without viewing the "source" footage, given Veritas' and O'Keefe's extensive history of selective editing, fraudulent claims, dubious methods and borderline entrapment[1]. Edit: If you're going to downvote me, note that I have no problem discussing why we should lend credence to claims from an individual with a long history of fraudulent claims. I am genuinely interested in hearing why we should trust anything PV produces going forward. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works
    - dekrg 7y ago
      So the recorded Google employees were deepfakes? Or are you saying that autocomplete results for "men can " in Google search are totally natural and not at all political engineering done by Google?
      - komali2 7y ago
        I don't trust project veritas or its motives, at all. There will be possibly be a time in the future when we can reasonably prove our identities and all things we have done with those identities. In this future, Reputation will be at least as valuable as any other form of measure of worth, because it will also be a world filled with bullshit. In that world, we will want to be very selective with our attention, and who gets that attention. In the past, project veritas has gone out of their way to misrepresent those they are "interviewing," has lied and made hilarious, absurd, claims to "gotcha" people. They engage in rhetorical dishonesty and fallacy. They aren't worth anyone's time. I won't waste my valuable attention and time "disproving" every heaping pile of dung that Veritas shits out. They already lost my trust ages ago.
        jjulius 7y ago
        Thanks for chiming in here. I just read through the original PV post[1] and also skimmed through some of the documents in PV's "Doc Dump"[2] related to the article. The documents they dumped don't have a political bias to them - they're literally about trying to get factual/fair news displayed to people as best as possible. Beyond that, I'm not even going to bother with videos. Like you said, O'Keefe has a very selective/gotcha method of editing his videos, and his claims and methods have long been both suspect and invalidated. Were I to have found anything worthwhile in the documents they dumped or the quotes in the article on their site, I might have given the video a view, but there's nothing "suspect" against Google in the dumped documents to begin with. This, like most other PV work, is bogus. [1]https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/ https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis... [2]https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SS1DocDump.pdf https://www.projectveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SS...
- weaksauce 7y ago
  If they are talking about the project veritas video from supposed googlers... yeah, project veritas has been thouroughly discredited for a long time now.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    No more so than CNN.
    - douglasisshiny 7y ago
      Every video project veritas has produced has been thoroughly debunked. There's plenty to be critical of regarding CNN, but they do still put out news.
- jlawson 7y ago
  Probably referring most recently to the Project Veritas video where a Google exec talked about how they're going to work on "preventing the next Trump situation" and how if Google is broken up, the smaller companies won't have the resources to do that. Lots of other such leaks and material also pointing to political manipulation by Google in this. There were some Congressional hearings about it recently. The video was banned by both YouTube and Vimeo on some flimsy pretext. This by itself reinforces the image of a cabal of megacorporations consolidating control over public mindshare and, by extension, the government itself. Of course the mainstream media (CNN, NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, etc) also totally buried the story. Here it is on BitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/
  - jjulius 7y ago
    This is what I posted in response to someone else: If Project Veritas is indeed what OP was referencing, then the claim can be easily dismissed without viewing the "source" footage, given Veritas' and O'Keefe's extensive history of selective editing, fraudulent claims, dubious methods and borderline entrapment[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works
    - drak0n1c 7y ago
      They post the entire unedited footage soon after the initial reveal, for years now. That's much better than CNN, MSNBC, Fox, late night shows, etc. Should the findings of muckrakers be discarded because the practice of muckraking is dishonorable?
      - jjulius 7y ago
        And how many times (ACORN, NPR, etc.) have the full versions of those videos shown something different than what the edited versions portrayed? It's been six days since the "initial reveal"[1] of the video and documents (which, if you read them, are incredibly unbiased). Care to share a link to the entire unedited footage of these new interviews? [1]https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/ https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis...
jjwhitaker 7y ago
I don't put much faith in videos made by known con artists who until yesterday were up for felony charges. Not sure why some set of the internet clings to them either.

StudentStuff 7y ago

This is why I find the Fediverse so compelling, PeerTube is already starting to get traction: https://joinpeertube.org/en/#register https://joinpeertube.org/en/#register Neat instances to check out: https://pe.ertu.be/ https://pe.ertu.be/ https://queertube.org/ https://queertube.org/ This genre of distributed, lower resource usage social platform is rather enjoyable (for me). Hopefully Rustodon, Florence, PixelFed & Lemmy also continue developing, as this can be a compelling alternative to the FAANGs ecosystem. Edit: formatting