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The 375hp number for the Lincoln engine is almost certainly gross, and not net hp. They'd run the test on the engines without the accessories like AC, power ste
by linksnapzz 7y ago
The 375hp number for the Lincoln engine is almost certainly gross, and not net hp. They'd run the test on the engines without the accessories like AC, power steering, power brakes hooked up. That stopped in the early '70s with the switch to net numbers. I would not be surprised if by '74, the Lincoln 460 was making ~190hp as we would measure it now.
Of course, comparing it to a modern Mercedes 4-cyl is a silly apples-to-shortbread comparison. Nobody was optimizing for specific output in the 1960s when the Lima V8s were designed. Whatever engine you put in a Lincoln back then had to first be able to move a 5500lb+(!!) sedan off the line, working through a not-terribly-responsive C3 automatic.
Bottom-end torque was the key, and in europe, cars of that mass were often diesel for that reason. In the US gas was $.22 for 4L or so, so a giant V8 with 8mpg was an acceptable solution. The Ford big-blocks were also popular motorhome engines for that reason; many are still running today.
...which is another thing. Those engines were huge in both displacement and packaging by modern standards, massively heavy (cast-iron or forged-steel...everything), and of fairly conservative valvetrain and fuel-system design. While this meant there was a limit as to how efficient you can make one, it also means that they can be maintained almost indefinitely with only modest expenditure of time and money, a statement that I don't think has ever been made about AMG engines of any recent vintage....
- userbinator 7y agoYes, the power ratings of modern car engines are achieved mainly through turbocharging and higher RPMs --- both of which negatively impact longevity. The margin is much smaller, because of computer design that lets parts be run at closer to their maximum stresses, and the designers do not plan for a car engine running at maximum power for much of its life. You can see a similar when comparing automotive and aviation engines --- the latter are effectively designed for 100% power 100% of the time, and as a result the power density is much lower, because of the need to maintain reliability. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UL260i https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UL260i is around 40hp/L at most, even less than the 70s V8. At the other end, here's a 434 that's been pushed to almost 1700HP(!) with turbocharging, or over 240hp/L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS_DDtXaEdY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS_DDtXaEdY A naturally aspirated one can do over 800HP with the right tuning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYpPMcIYx2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYpPMcIYx2s But for the usual passenger car applications of the time, the designers wanted longevity and didn't have the advanced technologies we do now, so they just overbuilt by a very large margin instead.