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Add Azure to the list. Its routing was down for about 2 hours yesterday.

the-dude 7y ago
Actually, I started wondering the last few minutes : what if the next worldwar would start on the internet? Or is this a common assumption already? I had not connected Huawei to my conspiracy theory yet, but just did.
- dreamcompiler 7y ago
  People who make defense policy have been assuming the answer to that question was "yes" for about 20 years now. It's sometimes described as "cyber precedes kinetic." https://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG1215.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG1215.html
  - the-dude 7y ago
    Thank you. So we are basically waiting for a Twitter outage.
    - wallflower 7y ago
      If Dropbox goes down, then something serious may be going on.
    - cnorthwood 7y ago
      I think Twitter DMs are having issues too...
  - TuringNYC 7y ago
    Ok, so unfriendly sovereign nations are trying to “hurt” us by making social media inaccessible? I’m half joking here, but perhaps we should all be out, about, and enjoying Independence Day in person rather than through our phone screens. (Yes I realize WhatsApp is a different segment, an important way people communicate.)
    - the-dude 7y ago
      Afghani independence day? Or Iraqi independence day? Or did you mean Libian independence day? Syrian perhaps? In NL there is currently no independence day.
      - mandelbrotwurst 7y ago
        Parent is referring to the holiday tomorrow in the United States.
        wongarsu 7y ago
        I think GP understood quite well and wanted to express their dissatisfaction with the assumption that everyone is American.
        dvtrn 7y ago
        Is there an official HN stance on this? There have been times I comment, with frustration, that a statement/positions can be hard to grok for those who don't have an automatically-American context in mind (you know, because they might not live in America) the downvotes come swiftly and snarky comments about "this is an American messageboard" follow. So I'm actually genuinely curious what YC/HN's official position on this is. Asking broadly.
        TuringNYC 7y ago
        There was already a US-centric context via the parent comment: It was a link to a RAND report warning the US Military of cyber-attacks in the US, the report starting off as: "The chances are growing that the United States will find itself in a crisis in cyberspace, with the escalation of tensions associated with a major cyberattack, suspicions that one has taken place, or fears that it might do so soon."
        mandelbrotwurst 7y ago
        If that's the case, then they should have make that critique directly rather than beat around it with questions that they didn't actually need answered.
- RandallBrown 7y ago
  You might love Neal Stephenson's latest book "Fall, or Dodge In Hell" It's not quite about a world war on the Internet, but it is about what could happen if the Internet suddenly stops working somewhere.
  - kfrzcode 7y ago
    Nitpick, but it's: Fall; or, Dodge in Hell
- Bayart 7y ago
  People would start by attacking telecoms much like they used to start with rail and harbours.
partiallypro 7y ago
If I'm not mistaken virtually all of the ones in the list above were caused by networking problems. Given how much Chinese parts are in those interfaces, it does make you wonder. It could also be just a really strange coincidence.
ernsheong 7y ago
So, people like to slam on GCP but not Azure. Didn’t make front page of HN but GCP wasn’t even an outage just increased latencies due to rerouting and still make front HN?

Actually, I started wondering the last few minutes : what if the next worldwar would start on the internet? Or is this a common assumption already? I had not connected Huawei to my conspiracy theory yet, but just did.

dreamcompiler 7y ago
People who make defense policy have been assuming the answer to that question was "yes" for about 20 years now. It's sometimes described as "cyber precedes kinetic." https://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG1215.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG1215.html
- the-dude 7y ago
  Thank you. So we are basically waiting for a Twitter outage.
  - wallflower 7y ago
    If Dropbox goes down, then something serious may be going on.
  - cnorthwood 7y ago
    I think Twitter DMs are having issues too...
- TuringNYC 7y ago
  Ok, so unfriendly sovereign nations are trying to “hurt” us by making social media inaccessible? I’m half joking here, but perhaps we should all be out, about, and enjoying Independence Day in person rather than through our phone screens. (Yes I realize WhatsApp is a different segment, an important way people communicate.)
  - the-dude 7y ago
    Afghani independence day? Or Iraqi independence day? Or did you mean Libian independence day? Syrian perhaps? In NL there is currently no independence day.
    - mandelbrotwurst 7y ago
      Parent is referring to the holiday tomorrow in the United States.
      - wongarsu 7y ago
        I think GP understood quite well and wanted to express their dissatisfaction with the assumption that everyone is American.
        dvtrn 7y ago
        Is there an official HN stance on this? There have been times I comment, with frustration, that a statement/positions can be hard to grok for those who don't have an automatically-American context in mind (you know, because they might not live in America) the downvotes come swiftly and snarky comments about "this is an American messageboard" follow. So I'm actually genuinely curious what YC/HN's official position on this is. Asking broadly.
        TuringNYC 7y ago
        There was already a US-centric context via the parent comment: It was a link to a RAND report warning the US Military of cyber-attacks in the US, the report starting off as: "The chances are growing that the United States will find itself in a crisis in cyberspace, with the escalation of tensions associated with a major cyberattack, suspicions that one has taken place, or fears that it might do so soon."
        mandelbrotwurst 7y ago
        If that's the case, then they should have make that critique directly rather than beat around it with questions that they didn't actually need answered.
RandallBrown 7y ago
You might love Neal Stephenson's latest book "Fall, or Dodge In Hell" It's not quite about a world war on the Internet, but it is about what could happen if the Internet suddenly stops working somewhere.
- kfrzcode 7y ago
  Nitpick, but it's: Fall; or, Dodge in Hell
Bayart 7y ago
People would start by attacking telecoms much like they used to start with rail and harbours.

partiallypro 7y ago

If I'm not mistaken virtually all of the ones in the list above were caused by networking problems. Given how much Chinese parts are in those interfaces, it does make you wonder. It could also be just a really strange coincidence.

ernsheong 7y ago

So, people like to slam on GCP but not Azure. Didn’t make front page of HN but GCP wasn’t even an outage just increased latencies due to rerouting and still make front HN?