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Well, yeah, but calling a parent in and saying 'you need to stop partying until 3am with your boyfriend of the week so Timmy can get some sleep and not be an im

Well, yeah, but calling a parent in and saying 'you need to stop partying until 3am with your boyfriend of the week so Timmy can get some sleep and not be an impulsive little monster with no respect for his female teacher' does not go as well as you'd think.

bilbo0s 7y ago
Doesn't mean it's not true.
mikepurvis 7y ago
I don't see how this scenario is changed by having video of the child's misbehaviour.
- panzagl 7y ago
  Because discipline can be made to stick- Timmy can be suspended and when Mom comes in to say it can't be his fault, because that would imply it was her fault and she's never been held responsible for her actions before, oh well too bad video doesn't lie. Otherwise admin backs down about 50% of the time. If you want to point out that this doesn't help Timmy, I'd agree. It does help the other 29 kids in the class, their parents, the teacher, and admin though.
  - LitFan 7y ago
    It helps the other 29 kids in the class until there are altercations involving 5-7 of those. Then it helps the other 22 kids in the class. What's the endgame? Do you suspend half the kids in the classroom because they're causing a disturbance for the other half? Something this whole argument misses is that school is a great mechanism to teach kids to interact with each other and learn to solve problems. It's a bad idea to teach kids that everything is always black and white.
    - vraivroo 7y ago
      > Do you suspend half the kids in the classroom because they're causing a disturbance for the other half? Yes, you do! > that school is a great mechanism to teach kids to interact with each other and learn to solve problems. What kind of utopian school did you go to? None of my schools did this, at _all_.
      - Boebo 7y ago
        So because teaching 1on1 conflict resolution has not been done at your school you prefer to have kids monitored and teach them conflicts will be resolved by pleading to a higher all seeing authority which tells you who was naughty and who was nice...mkay.
elliekelly 7y ago
Perhaps you could find a way to articulate your point about irresponsible parents without so much sexism. Or even better, without any sexism.

bilbo0s 7y ago

Doesn't mean it's not true.

mikepurvis 7y ago

I don't see how this scenario is changed by having video of the child's misbehaviour.

panzagl 7y ago
Because discipline can be made to stick- Timmy can be suspended and when Mom comes in to say it can't be his fault, because that would imply it was her fault and she's never been held responsible for her actions before, oh well too bad video doesn't lie. Otherwise admin backs down about 50% of the time. If you want to point out that this doesn't help Timmy, I'd agree. It does help the other 29 kids in the class, their parents, the teacher, and admin though.
- LitFan 7y ago
  It helps the other 29 kids in the class until there are altercations involving 5-7 of those. Then it helps the other 22 kids in the class. What's the endgame? Do you suspend half the kids in the classroom because they're causing a disturbance for the other half? Something this whole argument misses is that school is a great mechanism to teach kids to interact with each other and learn to solve problems. It's a bad idea to teach kids that everything is always black and white.
  - vraivroo 7y ago
    > Do you suspend half the kids in the classroom because they're causing a disturbance for the other half? Yes, you do! > that school is a great mechanism to teach kids to interact with each other and learn to solve problems. What kind of utopian school did you go to? None of my schools did this, at _all_.
    - Boebo 7y ago
      So because teaching 1on1 conflict resolution has not been done at your school you prefer to have kids monitored and teach them conflicts will be resolved by pleading to a higher all seeing authority which tells you who was naughty and who was nice...mkay.

elliekelly 7y ago

Perhaps you could find a way to articulate your point about irresponsible parents without so much sexism. Or even better, without any sexism.