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What's the news here? The same happens with Google and Microsoft. You can even check on their websites and see ALL your audios on Google Assistant and Cortana.

What's the news here? The same happens with Google and Microsoft. You can even check on their websites and see ALL your audios on Google Assistant and Cortana. https://myactivity.google.com https://myactivity.google.com Even your dictations on Windows is there too (Win+H). https://account.microsoft.com/privacy/activity-history?view=voice https://account.microsoft.com/privacy/activity-history?view=...

LinuxBender 7y ago
Also Discord. They brag about it a bit. [1] Don't say or type anything you don't want archived forever. Loose lips sink ships. [1] - https://blog.discordapp.com/how-discord-stores-billions-of-messages-7fa6ec7ee4c7?gi=ee4db605fb86 https://blog.discordapp.com/how-discord-stores-billions-of-m...
- skybrian 7y ago
  This is like criticizing Gmail for keeping your email forever by default. It's your account and you can delete your data when you don't want it anymore. A more substantive critique would be that these services don't let you set a retention policy. Google Vault lets an organization automatically delete old email, but other than Snapchat, you don't see this for consumer accounts, so you have to do it manually.
  - LinuxBender 7y ago
    I do criticize Google for many things, including their usage of email. But you are right, they can keep it forever as there is no mutually legal binding agreement and mutual NDA signed, witnessed and counter-signed by all parties. When gmail was first created, I was one of the people to first whine about them trawling through messages for URLs and crawling them. Some friends and I would link to files that didn't set content length and would feed them data forever. They eventually caught on to that.
    - kbenson 7y ago
      > Some friends and I would link to files that didn't set content length and would feed them data forever. That seems spectacularly unwise (or at least useless) for all but a minuscule portion of people. Either you stop feeding them data after a short while, and don't care, or you keep feeding them data, and I'm pretty sure Google cares less about (and pays less for) data transfer than you do. Best case scenario you're trickling data to them and just keeping the connection open as long as possible. Even then, Google likely cares about one connection and the resources it takes far less than you do (even if you care little). If it makes you feel better, it's maybe worth it, but it feels akin to carrying a marker with you so you can cross out Google's name in any newspaper you happen to be reading. It's an act of protest, but its impact leaves a lot to be desired.
      - LinuxBender 7y ago
        It totally made me feel better and they stopped connecting to my web servers. It just felt good to get a few cents of my tax money put to use. But yeah, in the grand scheme of things, they have infinite resources. I have been to two of their data-centers and they are massive.
        kbenson 7y ago
        Well, it's probably worth it then. It's hard to put a price on psychological well being, and if it helps you keep some sanity in this crazy world we're in, then power to you. And you get an interesting anecdote. :)
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - pjc50 7y ago
    Google have just implemented the ability to auto-delete your activity data after three months. Quite handy since it's required to have history on if you want to use the voice assistant at all. I suspect this is GDPR-induced.
  - gowld 7y ago
    Can you delete your discord user data without resorting to JavaScript console hacking? It's possible, but not accessible for the average user.
    - LinuxBender 7y ago
      That's just your local cache. Other users will have your chat cached as well. You can extract it with powershell. Their servers save the data forever using Cassandra.
    - skybrian 7y ago
      This gets into retention policy for shared data (as all messages are shared between the sender and recipient). You could do it like Snapchat and let the author decide the retention policy, or like email where each recipient separately decides what they want to keep, or like a mailing list archive where you're basically out of luck. What makes sense for a chat app?
Spoom 7y ago
FWIW you can turn off historical recording of e.g. voice activity on the Activity Controls section of the Google My Activity page, along with a bunch of other things.
- ionwake 7y ago
  Mr Prosser: But the plans were on display… Arthur: On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them. Mr Prosser: That’s the display department. Arthur: With a torch. Mr Prosser: The lights had probably gone out. Arthur: So had the stairs. Mr Prosser: But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?

LinuxBender 7y ago

Also Discord. They brag about it a bit. [1] Don't say or type anything you don't want archived forever. Loose lips sink ships. [1] - https://blog.discordapp.com/how-discord-stores-billions-of-messages-7fa6ec7ee4c7?gi=ee4db605fb86 https://blog.discordapp.com/how-discord-stores-billions-of-m...

skybrian 7y ago
This is like criticizing Gmail for keeping your email forever by default. It's your account and you can delete your data when you don't want it anymore. A more substantive critique would be that these services don't let you set a retention policy. Google Vault lets an organization automatically delete old email, but other than Snapchat, you don't see this for consumer accounts, so you have to do it manually.
- LinuxBender 7y ago
  I do criticize Google for many things, including their usage of email. But you are right, they can keep it forever as there is no mutually legal binding agreement and mutual NDA signed, witnessed and counter-signed by all parties. When gmail was first created, I was one of the people to first whine about them trawling through messages for URLs and crawling them. Some friends and I would link to files that didn't set content length and would feed them data forever. They eventually caught on to that.
  - kbenson 7y ago
    > Some friends and I would link to files that didn't set content length and would feed them data forever. That seems spectacularly unwise (or at least useless) for all but a minuscule portion of people. Either you stop feeding them data after a short while, and don't care, or you keep feeding them data, and I'm pretty sure Google cares less about (and pays less for) data transfer than you do. Best case scenario you're trickling data to them and just keeping the connection open as long as possible. Even then, Google likely cares about one connection and the resources it takes far less than you do (even if you care little). If it makes you feel better, it's maybe worth it, but it feels akin to carrying a marker with you so you can cross out Google's name in any newspaper you happen to be reading. It's an act of protest, but its impact leaves a lot to be desired.
    - LinuxBender 7y ago
      It totally made me feel better and they stopped connecting to my web servers. It just felt good to get a few cents of my tax money put to use. But yeah, in the grand scheme of things, they have infinite resources. I have been to two of their data-centers and they are massive.
      - kbenson 7y ago
        Well, it's probably worth it then. It's hard to put a price on psychological well being, and if it helps you keep some sanity in this crazy world we're in, then power to you. And you get an interesting anecdote. :)
- deleted 7y ago
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- pjc50 7y ago
  Google have just implemented the ability to auto-delete your activity data after three months. Quite handy since it's required to have history on if you want to use the voice assistant at all. I suspect this is GDPR-induced.
- gowld 7y ago
  Can you delete your discord user data without resorting to JavaScript console hacking? It's possible, but not accessible for the average user.
  - LinuxBender 7y ago
    That's just your local cache. Other users will have your chat cached as well. You can extract it with powershell. Their servers save the data forever using Cassandra.
  - skybrian 7y ago
    This gets into retention policy for shared data (as all messages are shared between the sender and recipient). You could do it like Snapchat and let the author decide the retention policy, or like email where each recipient separately decides what they want to keep, or like a mailing list archive where you're basically out of luck. What makes sense for a chat app?

Spoom 7y ago

FWIW you can turn off historical recording of e.g. voice activity on the Activity Controls section of the Google My Activity page, along with a bunch of other things.

ionwake 7y ago
Mr Prosser: But the plans were on display… Arthur: On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them. Mr Prosser: That’s the display department. Arthur: With a torch. Mr Prosser: The lights had probably gone out. Arthur: So had the stairs. Mr Prosser: But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?