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This is wonderful. The zone covered by the MOIA service is restricted by the number of vehicles they have available, and I live a couple of Km outside. For non

This is wonderful. The zone covered by the MOIA service is restricted by the number of vehicles they have available, and I live a couple of Km outside. For non German speakers, the taxi unions sued to restrict either zone, or number of vehicles back in April and won. This article is about that being overturned by a higher court and allowing MOIA to extend the fleet from 200 to 1000 vehicles. There's a paragraph in the article dedicated to "massive criticism from the taxi drivers" where the chairman of the Hamburg Taxi association says: > ...The aim of the VW subsidiary Moia is to replace as much of today's public transport by private offers... That implies that he thinks Taxis are a public transport, but of course, they aren't. Taxis have no affiliation with the city to my knowledge, save for some regulation. Hamburg has an excellent multi-line metro network carrying millions of passengers per day and taxis are prohibitively expensive here. A taxi from my place to the airport, a < 10 minute drive is easily over 30 EUR, with MOIA (if serviced) it would be something like 85% cheaper.

tialaramex 7y ago
In the UK at least taxis are in fact public transport. In London in particular they have to take fares to any reasonable (defined) destination, they have to take disabled passengers and passengers who need a dog. Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it isn't public, that's why England's public schools were (are) called public schools. Anybody could go there - if their parents had the money.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Bach home usually "if their parents had the money" applies to private schools, public ones get state sponsorship.
  - tialaramex 7y ago
    But then you need a name for schools you can't just buy your way into. In particular England had schools explicitly only for the offspring of religious congregations, for offspring of workers in specific guilds (groups which monopolised certain industries like silver smithing or candlemaking) or other groups. The public schools are a reaction to those schools, because a new class of "self made" rich people found that they couldn't afford private tutors for the kids, yet the existing schools were not open to them. Some of the schools the state funds actually do have other requirements still today, including entry exams and religious tests, though most do not.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      I guess that is UK specific then. In Portugal you can always buy your way into private schools. Which is why we value more public school education, because as you say there are entry exams for all alike. Usually most private schools degrees are seen as someone bought their education instead of earning it. Then again, each country has a different way at it I guess.
keymone 7y ago
> A taxi from my place to the airport, a < 10 minute drive is easily over 30 EUR yeah, thankfully S-Bahn goes every 10 minutes directly into the airport, but i can see myself using MOIA every now and then.
realityking 7y ago
> That implies that he thinks Taxis are a public transport, but of course, they aren't. In Germany, Taxis are considered part of public transport, and regulated as such. This is justified by them providing an essential service (transportation), to everyone in a community when regular public transport is not available (e.g. no line or a night) or impossible to take (e.g. people with limited mobility) The private counterpart to the public Taxi is the minicar. The most important federal regulation, without which a Taxis isn't a Taxi is the "Beförderungspflicht" - the obligation to carry someone. It doesn't matter if you just wanna go around the corner or it the direction is inconvenient for the driver. Within the designated area (usually the city limit) they _have to_ transport you where you want to go, at the regulated price. (Obviously there are exception for people who are behaving violently, etc.). Connected to this is also the "Betriebspflicht", if your company has a license to provide Taxi services it _has_ to be provided at a certain minimum level. This is a way to guarantee that there's always a minimum amount of Taxis.

tialaramex 7y ago

In the UK at least taxis are in fact public transport. In London in particular they have to take fares to any reasonable (defined) destination, they have to take disabled passengers and passengers who need a dog. Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it isn't public, that's why England's public schools were (are) called public schools. Anybody could go there - if their parents had the money.

pjmlp 7y ago
Bach home usually "if their parents had the money" applies to private schools, public ones get state sponsorship.
- tialaramex 7y ago
  But then you need a name for schools you can't just buy your way into. In particular England had schools explicitly only for the offspring of religious congregations, for offspring of workers in specific guilds (groups which monopolised certain industries like silver smithing or candlemaking) or other groups. The public schools are a reaction to those schools, because a new class of "self made" rich people found that they couldn't afford private tutors for the kids, yet the existing schools were not open to them. Some of the schools the state funds actually do have other requirements still today, including entry exams and religious tests, though most do not.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    I guess that is UK specific then. In Portugal you can always buy your way into private schools. Which is why we value more public school education, because as you say there are entry exams for all alike. Usually most private schools degrees are seen as someone bought their education instead of earning it. Then again, each country has a different way at it I guess.

keymone 7y ago

> A taxi from my place to the airport, a < 10 minute drive is easily over 30 EUR yeah, thankfully S-Bahn goes every 10 minutes directly into the airport, but i can see myself using MOIA every now and then.

realityking 7y ago

> That implies that he thinks Taxis are a public transport, but of course, they aren't. In Germany, Taxis are considered part of public transport, and regulated as such. This is justified by them providing an essential service (transportation), to everyone in a community when regular public transport is not available (e.g. no line or a night) or impossible to take (e.g. people with limited mobility) The private counterpart to the public Taxi is the minicar. The most important federal regulation, without which a Taxis isn't a Taxi is the "Beförderungspflicht" - the obligation to carry someone. It doesn't matter if you just wanna go around the corner or it the direction is inconvenient for the driver. Within the designated area (usually the city limit) they _have to_ transport you where you want to go, at the regulated price. (Obviously there are exception for people who are behaving violently, etc.). Connected to this is also the "Betriebspflicht", if your company has a license to provide Taxi services it _has_ to be provided at a certain minimum level. This is a way to guarantee that there's always a minimum amount of Taxis.