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I think there is one function. To basically remove people who cant stand up for themselves. If they cant stand up for themselves i guess they wont do it for m

I think there is one function. To basically remove people who cant stand up for themselves. If they cant stand up for themselves i guess they wont do it for me either which makes me not wanna work with them. So a little bit friction/bullying isnt that bad i guess. If often goes too far though

cgriswald 7y ago
If they’re being bullied and you don’t do anything about it, you seem to fail your own criteria for wanting someone on a team. The usefulness of “standing up for yourself” for which you claim bullying is a good test, only seems to have faculty when bullying is present.
- mat4magic 7y ago
  Where did i say i dont? You can stand up for yourself while others support you. Its not mutually exclusive You always have Situations where something did go wrong. Usually multiple persons involved. Owning up their share of the blame has a corellation to standing up for yourself in my experience
  - cgriswald 7y ago
    > Where did i say i dont? You implied it by suggesting bullying is useful for getting rid of those people. I don't know how you advocate for them being bullied and removed, yet stand up for them at the same time. > Owning up their share of the blame has a corellation to standing up for yourself in my experience I would not be surprised if there is a correlation; but the causality seems pretty obvious to me. If you were bullied would you admit to anything that might result in more bullying? What if the people who supposedly support you are secretly hoping you fail? I have no problem standing up for myself, even if I have no support. I also have no problem with the truth. I'll look my boss in the eye and tell him if I screwed up. I do it out of respect and because I'm about solving problems, even if I created it. But, if he's a bully and the only thing that is going to happen is I'm going to get more abuse? Well, I've probably already complained to HR and/or quit, but if I haven't... screw that guy. He can prove I was the one who screwed up or he can stuff it. But let's not forget the context: bullies are useful. So what if the bully is the one who screwed up? Is he going to take his share of the blame? Doubtful. My guess is he blames his victim.
29athrowaway 7y ago
I have an ideal occupation for you then: being a prison inmate. They spend all their time worrying about how to be perceived as "people that can stand up for themselves". I would rather be a part of a work culture where I can focus on getting work done rather than dealing with antisocials.

cgriswald 7y ago

If they’re being bullied and you don’t do anything about it, you seem to fail your own criteria for wanting someone on a team. The usefulness of “standing up for yourself” for which you claim bullying is a good test, only seems to have faculty when bullying is present.

mat4magic 7y ago
Where did i say i dont? You can stand up for yourself while others support you. Its not mutually exclusive You always have Situations where something did go wrong. Usually multiple persons involved. Owning up their share of the blame has a corellation to standing up for yourself in my experience
- cgriswald 7y ago
  > Where did i say i dont? You implied it by suggesting bullying is useful for getting rid of those people. I don't know how you advocate for them being bullied and removed, yet stand up for them at the same time. > Owning up their share of the blame has a corellation to standing up for yourself in my experience I would not be surprised if there is a correlation; but the causality seems pretty obvious to me. If you were bullied would you admit to anything that might result in more bullying? What if the people who supposedly support you are secretly hoping you fail? I have no problem standing up for myself, even if I have no support. I also have no problem with the truth. I'll look my boss in the eye and tell him if I screwed up. I do it out of respect and because I'm about solving problems, even if I created it. But, if he's a bully and the only thing that is going to happen is I'm going to get more abuse? Well, I've probably already complained to HR and/or quit, but if I haven't... screw that guy. He can prove I was the one who screwed up or he can stuff it. But let's not forget the context: bullies are useful. So what if the bully is the one who screwed up? Is he going to take his share of the blame? Doubtful. My guess is he blames his victim.

29athrowaway 7y ago

I have an ideal occupation for you then: being a prison inmate. They spend all their time worrying about how to be perceived as "people that can stand up for themselves". I would rather be a part of a work culture where I can focus on getting work done rather than dealing with antisocials.