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You could also argue this: The part you stated before the "BUT" is a statement of fact. The part you stated after the "BUT" is complete speculation. I've neve
by stakhanov 7y ago
You could also argue this: The part you stated before the "BUT" is a statement of fact. The part you stated after the "BUT" is complete speculation. I've never seen misogyny actually happen at any company I worked for, ever. Another piece of speculation: Women don't get those jobs because they DON'T WANT those jobs. So why throw these jobs at them, against their will? Why engage in some weird social engineering projects to make little girls want to build robots when, clearly, they don't?
- vertex-four 7y agoI’ve seen plenty of misogyny at nearly every tech event and gathering I’ve ever been to, as well as within the occasional work I’ve had, so either I’m going to the wrong places or you’re not looking very hard.
- luckylion 7y agoOr you two are working with different definitions of misogyny.
- mhuffman 7y agoI suspect this is the case. One’s person’s “joking” or playful banter can be another person’s triggering misogyny!
- Frondo 7y agoAgreed. If you follow any high-profile women in tech on Twitter, wade into their mentions to see sex-based harassment directed at them. It's consistent and ongoing and must be exhausting for them to deal with. (I know it would be for me.) If one's answer is that that's somehow not representative, I'd like to know why one thinks that shows up on a public forum but doesn't translate to any other parts of the industry.
- malvosenior 7y agoYou really shouldn't believe anything someone (male or female) with a high profile on Twitter says. The more someone is driven by attention, the less trustworthy they are. They are outliers and not representative of the actual community or workforce.
- Frondo 7y agoI'm not talking about anything they said. I said to look at the people responding to them with sexist harassment.
- malvosenior 7y agoI follow many tech leaders (men and women) on Twitter and have never seen this. If anything there's usually an massive wave of support in the replies.
- Frondo 7y agoI'm not sure how much time I'm willing to spend scrolling through and screencapping this stuff, but what you're saying doesn't match what I see at all. I also have all the quality filters off and often click the "show more" filter, though, and I seldom block people (and don't use any blocklists).
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago"The part you stated before the "BUT" is a statement of fact. The part you stated after the "BUT" is complete speculation." Yes, actually, this entire comment chain is speculation because the original comment was a speculation. If that means that these positions are less merit then this entire comment chain has less merit.
- abdullahkhalids 7y agoYou might find this illuminating https://www.nap.edu/read/24994/chapter/5#65 https://www.nap.edu/read/24994/chapter/5#65 For instance Fig 3-2 suggests that 40% of female graduate students have experienced some sort of sexist hostility. Which lines up pretty well with what I personally observed during my graduate program.