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>C2 I wonder if there is a similar scale for cartoons, and if (inscrutable) New Yorker cartoons are at D1 or higher.

csa 7y ago
1. I don’t think that there is a D1 on the scale. 2. A scale for cartoons would be interesting. The top level would probably require something like awareness of current events, knowledge of one or more complex/academic theoretical concepts, and deep cultural embeddedness and awareness of cultural trends.
- moate 7y ago
  "On a scale of Marmaduke to the New Yorker, how complex is this comic strip"
C1sc0cat 7y ago
From all the US satirical cartoons I have seem they seem rather crude and tame compared to the UK and still rely rather old tropes that always seem to require labelling "oh look its the cat with $ signs for eyes and labelled "wall street" whereas in the UK a cartoon might make a reference to a cartoon from 50-60-70 years ago and you would be expected to understand the reference with out labelling
- fiblye 7y ago
  Do you have examples of these sorts of cartoons? I've never seen one so I can't imagine what they're like.
  - pmyteh 7y ago
    So here's an example of a Steve Bell editorial cartoon. He's a leftwinger, in the fairly angry and vicious tradition of British satire, but this is a fairly restrained one: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/jun/05/steve-bell-75th-anniversary-d-day-cartoon https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/jun/0... It's a comment on the pageantry around the 75th anniversary of D-Day, and directly refers to a famous cartoon from WW2, which was published on VE Day by the (also socialist) cartoonist Philip Zec: http://www.cartooncounty.com/serendipity2/uploads/Zec2site.JPG http://www.cartooncounty.com/serendipity2/uploads/Zec2site.J... The whole genre isn't self-referential, but it's not unusual for leader cartoons to refer to other cartoons, famous paintings, television, or other things.
  - skocznymroczny 7y ago
    Anything by Ben Garrison https://grrrgraphics.com/cartoons https://grrrgraphics.com/cartoons
- Mediterraneo10 7y ago
  New Yorker cartoons are not political cartoons. They are general humour, albeit of a sort that might strike most readers as highbrow.

csa 7y ago

1. I don’t think that there is a D1 on the scale. 2. A scale for cartoons would be interesting. The top level would probably require something like awareness of current events, knowledge of one or more complex/academic theoretical concepts, and deep cultural embeddedness and awareness of cultural trends.

moate 7y ago
"On a scale of Marmaduke to the New Yorker, how complex is this comic strip"

C1sc0cat 7y ago

From all the US satirical cartoons I have seem they seem rather crude and tame compared to the UK and still rely rather old tropes that always seem to require labelling "oh look its the cat with $ signs for eyes and labelled "wall street" whereas in the UK a cartoon might make a reference to a cartoon from 50-60-70 years ago and you would be expected to understand the reference with out labelling

fiblye 7y ago
Do you have examples of these sorts of cartoons? I've never seen one so I can't imagine what they're like.
- pmyteh 7y ago
  So here's an example of a Steve Bell editorial cartoon. He's a leftwinger, in the fairly angry and vicious tradition of British satire, but this is a fairly restrained one: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/jun/05/steve-bell-75th-anniversary-d-day-cartoon https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/jun/0... It's a comment on the pageantry around the 75th anniversary of D-Day, and directly refers to a famous cartoon from WW2, which was published on VE Day by the (also socialist) cartoonist Philip Zec: http://www.cartooncounty.com/serendipity2/uploads/Zec2site.JPG http://www.cartooncounty.com/serendipity2/uploads/Zec2site.J... The whole genre isn't self-referential, but it's not unusual for leader cartoons to refer to other cartoons, famous paintings, television, or other things.
- skocznymroczny 7y ago
  Anything by Ben Garrison https://grrrgraphics.com/cartoons https://grrrgraphics.com/cartoons
Mediterraneo10 7y ago
New Yorker cartoons are not political cartoons. They are general humour, albeit of a sort that might strike most readers as highbrow.