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Your number one reason is also my number one reason, for the exact opposite reason. I don’t want anyone to be able to get their innocent looking code into my ph

Your number one reason is also my number one reason, for the exact opposite reason. I don’t want anyone to be able to get their innocent looking code into my phone without some extra effort

qwerty456127 7y ago
I totally support the idea that Apple/Google/whatever should check apps published in their stores thoroughly yet a user should be able to install an app manually or via a 3rd-party store if they know what are they doing.
Crinus 7y ago
> anyone This "anyone" is you as only you are responsible for the applications you install in your own devices. People need to learn personal responsibility for the stuff they install instead of enabling OS vendors to control what everyone can do with their devices in the name of protecting them by themselves.
- pdimitar 7y ago
  > People need to learn personal responsibility Yeah they do but from what I've seen in my life, we're centuries or millennia away from the average person being like that. So the mobile OS vendors adapt to the average human. It's only natural.
DavideNL 7y ago
I agree with you, which is why there are many more viruses/malware in Android vs iOS. However my issue with iOS is, that people don't have the freedom to choose whether or not they want to be protected by this "walled garden". Currently, you cannot opt-out, and the side effect is that Apple limits our freedom to choose to, for example, set Firefox as the default browser. Or set startpage.com as the default search engine in Safari. etc. etc. I don't understand how a single company is allowed to have so much power to decide/enforce upon us what we may and may not do with our devices. And since it's an oligopoly (Apple or Google), we don't have any other alternatives.
- GoofballJones 7y ago
  I’ve been both inside and outside that walled garden. I increasingly prefer life inside the wall. But that’s just me. What concerns me is the tribalism of people. “OMG! You use THAT phone/computer/OS?!?! I would NEVER use that!” Then go on to explain why their buying choices are better than yours. Look at the replies here, they’re rife with it.
  - Mindwipe 7y ago
    > But that’s just me. What concerns me is the tribalism of people. “OMG! You use THAT phone/computer/OS?!?! I would NEVER use that!” Then go on to explain why their buying choices are better than yours. Look at the replies here, they’re rife with it. The thing about being able to install code without permission from a third party is that it's like herd immunity in vaccination - individuals or small groups doing it is not actually very useful in order to ward off harmful effects, it needs to be a widespread, mainstream possibility. Repressive governments are perfectly fine with draconian restrictions and attacks on minorities using computing platforms if they can succeed in 80% of cases. That means they have a much smaller base to attack with targeted "enforcement". Only mass civil disobedience through installation of prohibit code actually works. Many of the fundamental freedoms we cherish only exist because of mass permissionless code installation of the 90s to mid-2000. I wish I could sit there and say you can use whatever you want, I really do. But I think your choices negatively impact me and the rest of society.
    - GoofballJones 7y ago
      Ah, and another one, but with the added BS of “OMG! You’re hurting society!” Mkay...
  - DavideNL 7y ago
    > I increasingly prefer life inside the wall. We can have both: live inside the wall and have the freedom to do with our devices what we want; For example, in macOS i can disable 'System Integrity Protection' (SIP), make whatever modifications i want to make, and then re-enable SIP. The same thing could be done with iOS. The real issue is that Apple wants to have control over our devices for economic/financial reasons.

Your number one reason is also my number one reason, for the exact opposite reason. I don’t want anyone to be able to get their innocent looking code into my phone without some extra effort

qwerty456127 7y ago

I totally support the idea that Apple/Google/whatever should check apps published in their stores thoroughly yet a user should be able to install an app manually or via a 3rd-party store if they know what are they doing.

Crinus 7y ago

> anyone This "anyone" is you as only you are responsible for the applications you install in your own devices. People need to learn personal responsibility for the stuff they install instead of enabling OS vendors to control what everyone can do with their devices in the name of protecting them by themselves.

pdimitar 7y ago
> People need to learn personal responsibility Yeah they do but from what I've seen in my life, we're centuries or millennia away from the average person being like that. So the mobile OS vendors adapt to the average human. It's only natural.

DavideNL 7y ago

I agree with you, which is why there are many more viruses/malware in Android vs iOS. However my issue with iOS is, that people don't have the freedom to choose whether or not they want to be protected by this "walled garden". Currently, you cannot opt-out, and the side effect is that Apple limits our freedom to choose to, for example, set Firefox as the default browser. Or set startpage.com as the default search engine in Safari. etc. etc. I don't understand how a single company is allowed to have so much power to decide/enforce upon us what we may and may not do with our devices. And since it's an oligopoly (Apple or Google), we don't have any other alternatives.

GoofballJones 7y ago
I’ve been both inside and outside that walled garden. I increasingly prefer life inside the wall. But that’s just me. What concerns me is the tribalism of people. “OMG! You use THAT phone/computer/OS?!?! I would NEVER use that!” Then go on to explain why their buying choices are better than yours. Look at the replies here, they’re rife with it.
- Mindwipe 7y ago
  > But that’s just me. What concerns me is the tribalism of people. “OMG! You use THAT phone/computer/OS?!?! I would NEVER use that!” Then go on to explain why their buying choices are better than yours. Look at the replies here, they’re rife with it. The thing about being able to install code without permission from a third party is that it's like herd immunity in vaccination - individuals or small groups doing it is not actually very useful in order to ward off harmful effects, it needs to be a widespread, mainstream possibility. Repressive governments are perfectly fine with draconian restrictions and attacks on minorities using computing platforms if they can succeed in 80% of cases. That means they have a much smaller base to attack with targeted "enforcement". Only mass civil disobedience through installation of prohibit code actually works. Many of the fundamental freedoms we cherish only exist because of mass permissionless code installation of the 90s to mid-2000. I wish I could sit there and say you can use whatever you want, I really do. But I think your choices negatively impact me and the rest of society.
  - GoofballJones 7y ago
    Ah, and another one, but with the added BS of “OMG! You’re hurting society!” Mkay...
- DavideNL 7y ago
  > I increasingly prefer life inside the wall. We can have both: live inside the wall and have the freedom to do with our devices what we want; For example, in macOS i can disable 'System Integrity Protection' (SIP), make whatever modifications i want to make, and then re-enable SIP. The same thing could be done with iOS. The real issue is that Apple wants to have control over our devices for economic/financial reasons.