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I disagree, no one should be expected to, week in week out, work for more than 40 hours a week. Of course there is regrettable crunch from time to time. Anythi

by Balero 7y ago

I disagree, no one should be expected to, week in week out, work for more than 40 hours a week. Of course there is regrettable crunch from time to time. Anything over that, is just unproductive in the long run. People will burn themselves out, which isn't good for a company, and certainly isn't good for the employee.

gist 7y ago
Nobody is 'expected to' it's what you sign up for. It's like saying you decide to be a policeman or firefighter (not something I would do) and then that they shouldn't be 'expected' to do what the job requires. Nobody is required to take a job at a company that thinks people should work long hours. And actually new college graduates in some professions (law, medicine, finance) work longer than 60 hours. And if they don't want to work those hours there is someone who would in many cases be glad to take their place. Simply saying that 'nobody should be required' implies that everyone thinks it's bad. When I was out of school I was involved in a situation where I worked much longer than 60 hours and did so for at least 5 or 6 years. No vacation nothing. And guess what? It didn't bother me to do that. At all. Just like it doesn't bother some people to be hanging off a rock cliff (not me that is not something I would do). Bottom line: You are free to choose whatever job you want. If you don't want to work what is required then pick another job. And if enough people don't want to work long hours the company can decide then to change their practices. The law does not even prevent long hours for most salary workers either by the way (there are labor practices that cover some situations of course.)
- gamblor956 7y ago
  Firefighters and policemen get paid very generous overtime for working more than 40 hours a week. And their are caps to how much overtime they can work. Attorneys get paid lots of money to sacrifice their social lives. Especially at the "biglaw" firms, they get paid well into the six figures and generally 2 years in will make more than a programmer with the same experience. Doctors eventually make far more than programmers after their residency. Finance guys (and gals) nearly 7 figures a year or two into the job... The law does not even prevent long hours for most salary workers either by the way (there are labor practices that cover some situations of course.) Again, why should a salaried worker work long hours so that their company can make money if the company isn't going to pay them for the extra work?
  - brianwawok 7y ago
    > Firefighters and policemen get paid very generous overtime for working more than 40 hours a week. And their are caps to how much overtime they can work. I do not know any firefighters or policemen who make even what a mid level developer makes.

by Balero 7y ago

gist 7y ago

Nobody is 'expected to' it's what you sign up for. It's like saying you decide to be a policeman or firefighter (not something I would do) and then that they shouldn't be 'expected' to do what the job requires. Nobody is required to take a job at a company that thinks people should work long hours. And actually new college graduates in some professions (law, medicine, finance) work longer than 60 hours. And if they don't want to work those hours there is someone who would in many cases be glad to take their place. Simply saying that 'nobody should be required' implies that everyone thinks it's bad. When I was out of school I was involved in a situation where I worked much longer than 60 hours and did so for at least 5 or 6 years. No vacation nothing. And guess what? It didn't bother me to do that. At all. Just like it doesn't bother some people to be hanging off a rock cliff (not me that is not something I would do). Bottom line: You are free to choose whatever job you want. If you don't want to work what is required then pick another job. And if enough people don't want to work long hours the company can decide then to change their practices. The law does not even prevent long hours for most salary workers either by the way (there are labor practices that cover some situations of course.)

gamblor956 7y ago
Firefighters and policemen get paid very generous overtime for working more than 40 hours a week. And their are caps to how much overtime they can work. Attorneys get paid lots of money to sacrifice their social lives. Especially at the "biglaw" firms, they get paid well into the six figures and generally 2 years in will make more than a programmer with the same experience. Doctors eventually make far more than programmers after their residency. Finance guys (and gals) nearly 7 figures a year or two into the job... The law does not even prevent long hours for most salary workers either by the way (there are labor practices that cover some situations of course.) Again, why should a salaried worker work long hours so that their company can make money if the company isn't going to pay them for the extra work?
- brianwawok 7y ago
  > Firefighters and policemen get paid very generous overtime for working more than 40 hours a week. And their are caps to how much overtime they can work. I do not know any firefighters or policemen who make even what a mid level developer makes.