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2005 Honda Civic: Water drains from the trunk lid into the trunk when you open it in the rain. If you open the trunk when there's snow on the rear window, it ge

2005 Honda Civic: Water drains from the trunk lid into the trunk when you open it in the rain. If you open the trunk when there's snow on the rear window, it gets jammed up between the trunk lid and the window. The traditional automakers aren't immune from this sort of thing.

dahfizz 7y ago
Turns out making a car is really complicated and full of tradeoffs. A car with no compromises is going to cost 6 figures at least.
- mauvehaus 7y ago
  Yeah, I'm not asking for a perfect car; it isn't made by any automaker, traditional or not. Personally, I'm a great believer in the theory that character is the great redeemer in cars. I once owned an '86 Subaru BRAT. It had all manner of quirks, but character in spades. Loved it, wish I'd never sold it. I will say, the water pouring into the trunk bug is singularly annoying, all the more so since the Civic doesn't have a lot of character to make up for it. Or maybe that's the Civic's manifestation of character, and I haven't yet found the flaw it's there to make up for.
- farisjarrah 7y ago
  Turns out even cars that are over 6 figures are still totally full of trade offs and compromises. This is a particularly insane example, but luxury cars are still in no way perfect. Doug DeMuro Reviewing a $200000 hummer: https://youtu.be/UqKUExgryXo https://youtu.be/UqKUExgryXo
  - magduf 7y ago
    Exotic cars usually have a lot more quirks and compromises than normal cars. They're also not known for being terribly reliable; the ones that are are made by divisions of much larger automakers, so they can raid the parts bin of their cheaper siblings. Jaguar used to be infamous for how unreliable their cars were, until Ford took them over.
Alupis 7y ago
> 2005 Honda Civic That's a 14, approaching 15 year old car. The weather seals and such are probably past their lifespan, and I'd expect Honda has improved the Civic in a number of ways in the last 15 years. That's also comparing a ~$19,000 car to a base model $35,000+ Model 3 (that costs $45,000+ in some cases). They're not supposed to play in the same league. You'd expect the Model 3 (or any Tesla for the price-point) to be a lot better than a generic Honda.
- metaphor 7y ago
  You've missed the point. I believe the parent is talking about a 7th generation platform with a fundamental design flaw, not weather seal degradation. Price of the vehicle is completely irrelevant, but to be sure, these types of problems exist in just about every exotic on the market.
- senectus1 7y ago
  I have the same issue with a 30k 2014 Toyota Camry Hybrid. I think you're being blinkered in your views.

dahfizz 7y ago

Turns out making a car is really complicated and full of tradeoffs. A car with no compromises is going to cost 6 figures at least.

mauvehaus 7y ago
Yeah, I'm not asking for a perfect car; it isn't made by any automaker, traditional or not. Personally, I'm a great believer in the theory that character is the great redeemer in cars. I once owned an '86 Subaru BRAT. It had all manner of quirks, but character in spades. Loved it, wish I'd never sold it. I will say, the water pouring into the trunk bug is singularly annoying, all the more so since the Civic doesn't have a lot of character to make up for it. Or maybe that's the Civic's manifestation of character, and I haven't yet found the flaw it's there to make up for.
farisjarrah 7y ago
Turns out even cars that are over 6 figures are still totally full of trade offs and compromises. This is a particularly insane example, but luxury cars are still in no way perfect. Doug DeMuro Reviewing a $200000 hummer: https://youtu.be/UqKUExgryXo https://youtu.be/UqKUExgryXo
- magduf 7y ago
  Exotic cars usually have a lot more quirks and compromises than normal cars. They're also not known for being terribly reliable; the ones that are are made by divisions of much larger automakers, so they can raid the parts bin of their cheaper siblings. Jaguar used to be infamous for how unreliable their cars were, until Ford took them over.

Alupis 7y ago

> 2005 Honda Civic That's a 14, approaching 15 year old car. The weather seals and such are probably past their lifespan, and I'd expect Honda has improved the Civic in a number of ways in the last 15 years. That's also comparing a ~$19,000 car to a base model $35,000+ Model 3 (that costs $45,000+ in some cases). They're not supposed to play in the same league. You'd expect the Model 3 (or any Tesla for the price-point) to be a lot better than a generic Honda.

metaphor 7y ago
You've missed the point. I believe the parent is talking about a 7th generation platform with a fundamental design flaw, not weather seal degradation. Price of the vehicle is completely irrelevant, but to be sure, these types of problems exist in just about every exotic on the market.
senectus1 7y ago
I have the same issue with a 30k 2014 Toyota Camry Hybrid. I think you're being blinkered in your views.