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Also reformatted at https://outline.com/7NYFsJ https://outline.com/7NYFsJ

JumpCrisscross 7y ago
Outline is wholly inferior to the Internet Archive [1]? Outline is a private site run by unknown people with unknown motivations. Its privacy policy [2] (a) names no actual person or responsible entity, (b) permits business transfers (implying it's a for-profit entity) and (c) permits changes at Outline's sole discretion. The Internet Archive, on the other hand, is a nonprofit run by known, reputable people. [1] https://archive.org https://archive.org [2] https://outline.com/privacy.html https://outline.com/privacy.html
- bduerst 7y ago
  That may be true but they're not really competing for archiving. As an end-user, I prefer an easy-to-read format, and outline is superior in that regard.
  - otoburb 7y ago
    >>As an end-user, I prefer an easy-to-read format, and outline is superior in that regard. Quite possibly an alternative/new fundraising channel for the Internet Archive.
- svat 7y ago
  I don't have an opinion here, but note that the site archive.is has no connection with the Internet Archive (archive.org), and is a private site, not a nonprofit. In fact it used to be blacklisted on Wikipedia at one point, though not since 2016. (I can't remember the details of why, but it appears to be because some bot was adding links to archive.is on Wikipedia. Discussions about this ban: • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment... (2016) • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment... (2014) • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment... (2014) • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment... (2013) — there sure is a lot of discussion on Wikipedia. And the article about the site does not mention who it's run by: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today)
- 3xblah 7y ago
  heretrix3 does not process Javascript. archive.is is not the same as Internet Archive. http://web.archive.org/web/20190614190638/http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2019/06/14/1560516935000/How-blockchain-takes-us-back-to-medieval-times/ http://web.archive.org/web/20190614190638/http://ftalphavill... For text-only users, here is a version of the article that can be viewed without Javascript. Use Reader Mode if viewing with a CSS-enabled browser. https://amp.ft.com/content/abd7ba0b-40ef-3876-857c-cd5d49ec557e https://amp.ft.com/content/abd7ba0b-40ef-3876-857c-cd5d49ec5... Charts: https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net/production/2f20e7af-d961-4c67-b488-b4cadc27bc46_FINAL.png https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net/production/2f20e7af-d9... https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net/production/270ded67-d3b6-447a-86e6-d868f144e202_FINAL.png https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net/production/270ded67-d3... Even with Javascript disabled, FT still tries to track users. From the URL submitted to HN:  <div class="o-tracking o--if-no-js" data-o-component="o-tracking"> <div style="background:url('https://spoor-api.ft.com/px.gif?data=%7B%22category%22%3A%22page%22%2C%20%22action%22%3A%22view%22%2C%20%22system%22%3A%7B%22apiKey%22%3A%22qUb9maKfKBtpRsdp0p2J7uWxRpGJEP%22%2C%22source%22%3A%22o-tracking%22%2C%22version%22%3A%221.0.0%22%7D%2C%22context%22%3A%7B%22product%22%3A%22next%22%2C%22app%22%3A%22alphaville%22%2C%22content%22%3A%7B%22asset_type%22%3A%22page%22%7D%7D%7D');"></div> </div>
- kmonad 7y ago
  Can you be more specific? What's your worry. I have never seen outline before and am fairly happy with what it appears to be doing (strip articles off of rubbish autoplay videos/unrelated images/links to other articles I am not interested in). Did you analyze what they are collecting/have evidence they alter the cleaned text?
kmonad 7y ago
This seems fantastic! I feel old and grumpy when I get angry at all the rubbish news website intersperse articles with. This seems a great solution.

Outline is wholly inferior to the Internet Archive [1]? Outline is a private site run by unknown people with unknown motivations. Its privacy policy [2] (a) names no actual person or responsible entity, (b) permits business transfers (implying it's a for-profit entity) and (c) permits changes at Outline's sole discretion. The Internet Archive, on the other hand, is a nonprofit run by known, reputable people. [1] https://archive.org https://archive.org [2] https://outline.com/privacy.html https://outline.com/privacy.html

bduerst 7y ago
That may be true but they're not really competing for archiving. As an end-user, I prefer an easy-to-read format, and outline is superior in that regard.
- otoburb 7y ago
  >>As an end-user, I prefer an easy-to-read format, and outline is superior in that regard. Quite possibly an alternative/new fundraising channel for the Internet Archive.
svat 7y ago
I don't have an opinion here, but note that the site archive.is has no connection with the Internet Archive (archive.org), and is a private site, not a nonprofit. In fact it used to be blacklisted on Wikipedia at one point, though not since 2016. (I can't remember the details of why, but it appears to be because some bot was adding links to archive.is on Wikipedia. Discussions about this ban: • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment... (2016) • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment... (2014) • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment... (2014) • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment... (2013) — there sure is a lot of discussion on Wikipedia. And the article about the site does not mention who it's run by: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today)
3xblah 7y ago
heretrix3 does not process Javascript. archive.is is not the same as Internet Archive. http://web.archive.org/web/20190614190638/http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2019/06/14/1560516935000/How-blockchain-takes-us-back-to-medieval-times/ http://web.archive.org/web/20190614190638/http://ftalphavill... For text-only users, here is a version of the article that can be viewed without Javascript. Use Reader Mode if viewing with a CSS-enabled browser. https://amp.ft.com/content/abd7ba0b-40ef-3876-857c-cd5d49ec557e https://amp.ft.com/content/abd7ba0b-40ef-3876-857c-cd5d49ec5... Charts: https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net/production/2f20e7af-d961-4c67-b488-b4cadc27bc46_FINAL.png https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net/production/2f20e7af-d9... https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net/production/270ded67-d3b6-447a-86e6-d868f144e202_FINAL.png https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net/production/270ded67-d3... Even with Javascript disabled, FT still tries to track users. From the URL submitted to HN:  <div class="o-tracking o--if-no-js" data-o-component="o-tracking"> <div style="background:url('https://spoor-api.ft.com/px.gif?data=%7B%22category%22%3A%22page%22%2C%20%22action%22%3A%22view%22%2C%20%22system%22%3A%7B%22apiKey%22%3A%22qUb9maKfKBtpRsdp0p2J7uWxRpGJEP%22%2C%22source%22%3A%22o-tracking%22%2C%22version%22%3A%221.0.0%22%7D%2C%22context%22%3A%7B%22product%22%3A%22next%22%2C%22app%22%3A%22alphaville%22%2C%22content%22%3A%7B%22asset_type%22%3A%22page%22%7D%7D%7D');"></div> </div>
kmonad 7y ago
Can you be more specific? What's your worry. I have never seen outline before and am fairly happy with what it appears to be doing (strip articles off of rubbish autoplay videos/unrelated images/links to other articles I am not interested in). Did you analyze what they are collecting/have evidence they alter the cleaned text?

kmonad 7y ago

This seems fantastic! I feel old and grumpy when I get angry at all the rubbish news website intersperse articles with. This seems a great solution.