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This is presumably a VW e-Golf competitor and it seems to be European only model (to meet the ever increasing restriction on emission standards there). The Stan

by devy 7y ago

This is presumably a VW e-Golf competitor and it seems to be European only model (to meet the ever increasing restriction on emission standards there). The Standard 35kwh battery option is not impressive at all as Fiat's compiance EV 500e already achieving and or exceeding those ranges (yes I drove one myself.) The Korean auto makers have already made a strong push to longer range EVs like Hyundai Kona EV, Kia Niro EV, all are in the range of 240miles. The EV market outlook post 2020 is going to be massive, all thanks to Tesla's demonstration of how you can make an EV the best possible vehicle with technology and dedication.

Ninn 7y ago
This looks like it's the size of an e-UP!, not a e-Golf or ID.3? The Golf size is around 2 classes up from the UP
gavia1 7y ago
The e-Golf is a compromise. It is very difficult to add electrification to a vehicle platform built for traditional ICE cars. There is almost no space under the floors for the cells, and you can't put them up front either because the additional weight over an engine and ancillaries would create a car with a 70:30 weight distribution. This would make the car handle terribly, cause excessive tire wear and fishtailing under braking.
Theodores 7y ago
The battery isn't supposed to be impressive. It is not for travelling salesmen or Americans. Honda have done their research and they know how far most people drive most of the time. It is also worth remembering that many in their target audience are in two car households. So there is still the big car to visit the grandparents with. This is not an e-Golf competitor. The e-Golf is a compliance car that is hard to actually buy. Dealers don't stock them. This car is designed from the ground up as an EV, it is not an ICE car where the gearbox has been replaced with batteries - that is what the e-Golf is. The EV options are not actually that huge post 2020. Most people are not in the Tesla price bracket. If you watch any car show there will be plenty of models that are new and do not have an EV option. There are grand promises from all of the different makes but when it comes down to it, in the UK (target market for the Honda) there is just Tesla that can deliver a nice new car to your specifications in four weeks. Other than that you can get a Nissan Leaf with the smaller battery pack in four weeks. For anything else you are looking at 3 to 6 months. The Korean wonders are even further out, eighteen months for them. That means 2020.
- gavia1 7y ago
  I don't understand why or who is downvoting you. I wish they would say why by replying. Nothing you have said is inaccurate in my opinion.
- devy 7y ago
  > The battery isn't supposed to be impressive. Range anxiety, cost and charging network are top 3 EV adoption hurdles. The first is addressed by a larger battery pack which in turn help address the cost via economy of scale. Giving the rate of lithium battery cost reduction, the same price point of 35kwh pack you can buy 60kwh in 2 years. In other words, for $35000 you can buy this E with 120 mile range or another EV with 60Kwh with 240 mile range, which majority of the buyers will choose? Also EV efficiency matters - Tesla is the current king of efficiency. My Fiat 500e can have the same 120 mile range with a smaller 28kwh battery, which means Honda E is less efficiency or have a poor battery management system (BMS). This brings up the next point. > This car is designed from the ground up as an EV, it is not an ICE car where the gearbox has been replaced with batteries - that is what the e-Golf is. That's simply not true. If this car weren't designed as a compliance car why doesn't Honda bring it to the North America market or sell globally? Having 50%-50% weight distribution and strong torque are native characteristics of an EV, having less to do with redesign EV platform. Honda/Toyota are known to be the two major Japanese auto makers that are EV holdouts. They poured billions of dollars to bet on fuel cell and hydrogen cars and invested heavily on hybrid technologies. Honda have never been fully onboard with 100% Battery Electric vehicles (yet) and NEVER develop a EV native car platform like VW Group's MEB[1] or BMW's i-Series[2]. Their last attempt was a compliance car Honda Fit EV in order for them to give emission credit in California. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MEB_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MEB_platform [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_i https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_i
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > If this car weren't designed as a compliance car why doesn't Honda bring it to the North America market or sell globally? Because the North American market has a strong preference for big cars, whereas Europe had more interest in small ones.

by devy 7y ago

Ninn 7y ago

This looks like it's the size of an e-UP!, not a e-Golf or ID.3? The Golf size is around 2 classes up from the UP

gavia1 7y ago

The e-Golf is a compromise. It is very difficult to add electrification to a vehicle platform built for traditional ICE cars. There is almost no space under the floors for the cells, and you can't put them up front either because the additional weight over an engine and ancillaries would create a car with a 70:30 weight distribution. This would make the car handle terribly, cause excessive tire wear and fishtailing under braking.

Theodores 7y ago

The battery isn't supposed to be impressive. It is not for travelling salesmen or Americans. Honda have done their research and they know how far most people drive most of the time. It is also worth remembering that many in their target audience are in two car households. So there is still the big car to visit the grandparents with. This is not an e-Golf competitor. The e-Golf is a compliance car that is hard to actually buy. Dealers don't stock them. This car is designed from the ground up as an EV, it is not an ICE car where the gearbox has been replaced with batteries - that is what the e-Golf is. The EV options are not actually that huge post 2020. Most people are not in the Tesla price bracket. If you watch any car show there will be plenty of models that are new and do not have an EV option. There are grand promises from all of the different makes but when it comes down to it, in the UK (target market for the Honda) there is just Tesla that can deliver a nice new car to your specifications in four weeks. Other than that you can get a Nissan Leaf with the smaller battery pack in four weeks. For anything else you are looking at 3 to 6 months. The Korean wonders are even further out, eighteen months for them. That means 2020.

gavia1 7y ago
I don't understand why or who is downvoting you. I wish they would say why by replying. Nothing you have said is inaccurate in my opinion.
devy 7y ago
> The battery isn't supposed to be impressive. Range anxiety, cost and charging network are top 3 EV adoption hurdles. The first is addressed by a larger battery pack which in turn help address the cost via economy of scale. Giving the rate of lithium battery cost reduction, the same price point of 35kwh pack you can buy 60kwh in 2 years. In other words, for $35000 you can buy this E with 120 mile range or another EV with 60Kwh with 240 mile range, which majority of the buyers will choose? Also EV efficiency matters - Tesla is the current king of efficiency. My Fiat 500e can have the same 120 mile range with a smaller 28kwh battery, which means Honda E is less efficiency or have a poor battery management system (BMS). This brings up the next point. > This car is designed from the ground up as an EV, it is not an ICE car where the gearbox has been replaced with batteries - that is what the e-Golf is. That's simply not true. If this car weren't designed as a compliance car why doesn't Honda bring it to the North America market or sell globally? Having 50%-50% weight distribution and strong torque are native characteristics of an EV, having less to do with redesign EV platform. Honda/Toyota are known to be the two major Japanese auto makers that are EV holdouts. They poured billions of dollars to bet on fuel cell and hydrogen cars and invested heavily on hybrid technologies. Honda have never been fully onboard with 100% Battery Electric vehicles (yet) and NEVER develop a EV native car platform like VW Group's MEB[1] or BMW's i-Series[2]. Their last attempt was a compliance car Honda Fit EV in order for them to give emission credit in California. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MEB_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MEB_platform [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_i https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_i
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > If this car weren't designed as a compliance car why doesn't Honda bring it to the North America market or sell globally? Because the North American market has a strong preference for big cars, whereas Europe had more interest in small ones.