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Exactly. People are already used to much more surveillance than they used and this trend just keeps going. Sometimes it's China taking the lead, sometimes the U

Exactly. People are already used to much more surveillance than they used and this trend just keeps going. Sometimes it's China taking the lead, sometimes the US, sometimes other countries. But they all look at each other and slowly adopt what the other country is doing. I am pretty sure the next generation will never see anything other than complete surveillance by countries or corporations. And for them it will seem normal.

SubiculumCode 7y ago
If your whole argument is based on fatalism, you might as well say so....because right now you assume the conclusion.
- mLuby 7y ago
  It doesn't look like fatalism to me; the argument is based on the bandwagon effect and how dramatic outcomes can be arrived at through incremental changes.
  - Ididntdothis 7y ago
    It's the slow erosion of values. I remember a time when people would "never do online banking", now pretty much everybody does it. Some years ago nobody would have thought it possible that the border agent may ask for social media accounts or decrypt your phone. Now they do it. It's a very slow progression that may take decades but it's happening everywhere.
borvel 7y ago
It's already "normal". People don't even realize there are cameras watching them everywhere, because they spend every moment trapped in their smartphone obsession while ignoring whatever goes on around them. It's tragic. Of course, the phone is the absolute worst offender in terms of state and corporate espionage (we don't even need microchips) but people choose to ignore the implications because they can play Flappy Bird and not have to make eye contact with people. There is already complete surveillance: 5G is its latest incarnation. Everything will be known and nothing will be safe. This is the "new age".
godelski 7y ago
To be honest most people already see surveillance capitalism as normal. Weirds me out for one.

SubiculumCode 7y ago

If your whole argument is based on fatalism, you might as well say so....because right now you assume the conclusion.

mLuby 7y ago
It doesn't look like fatalism to me; the argument is based on the bandwagon effect and how dramatic outcomes can be arrived at through incremental changes.
- Ididntdothis 7y ago
  It's the slow erosion of values. I remember a time when people would "never do online banking", now pretty much everybody does it. Some years ago nobody would have thought it possible that the border agent may ask for social media accounts or decrypt your phone. Now they do it. It's a very slow progression that may take decades but it's happening everywhere.

borvel 7y ago

It's already "normal". People don't even realize there are cameras watching them everywhere, because they spend every moment trapped in their smartphone obsession while ignoring whatever goes on around them. It's tragic. Of course, the phone is the absolute worst offender in terms of state and corporate espionage (we don't even need microchips) but people choose to ignore the implications because they can play Flappy Bird and not have to make eye contact with people. There is already complete surveillance: 5G is its latest incarnation. Everything will be known and nothing will be safe. This is the "new age".

godelski 7y ago

To be honest most people already see surveillance capitalism as normal. Weirds me out for one.