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Isn't it a bit silly to presuppose that what we have now is the best we are ever going to get. I mean, files were state of the art at one point, but i don't thi

Isn't it a bit silly to presuppose that what we have now is the best we are ever going to get. I mean, files were state of the art at one point, but i don't think anyone will suggest we go back to punchcards. "Boring Technology" is the wrong thing to aim for. Aim for simplicity.

mcguire 7y ago
Which JavaScript framework is the simple one?
- ptx 7y ago
  Mithril? https://mithril.js.org/ https://mithril.js.org/ The downsides might be (I'm guessing) performance for very complex apps and lack of pre-built third-party components. There is definitely a spectrum of simplicity among the frameworks. Angular seems to sit on the opposite side of the spectrum. It has many benefits, I'm sure, but in every aspect they've chosen the more complicated solution.
- yellowapple 7y ago
  The simplest is the one that doesn't exist ;) That is: you're presupposing that a JavaScript framework is actually necessary in the first place. I'd argue that the whole concept of a JS framework is the epitome of chasing after shiny and complicated things. If instead you start with just plain ol' HTML and incrementally add CSS and JS as actually needed, you're much more likely to end up with a much simpler and more maintainable end result (or, at the very least, you will have figured out the actual and specific reasons why you might need the additional complexity of, say, Sass or this week's JS framework).
- runarberg 7y ago
  VanillaJS! But seriously while Svelte is the new kid on the block, they do claim to have minimal API design and no virtual DOM. So I guess the real answer is Svelte.
  - ptx 7y ago
    It does have a compiler, though. So compared to the old-fashioned JavaScript workflow it adds a mandatory build step. And I don't think it would work with languages that compile to JS – or does it?
- draw_down 7y ago
  The one you like, of course! All the others are bloated and complex.

mcguire 7y ago

Which JavaScript framework is the simple one?

ptx 7y ago
Mithril? https://mithril.js.org/ https://mithril.js.org/ The downsides might be (I'm guessing) performance for very complex apps and lack of pre-built third-party components. There is definitely a spectrum of simplicity among the frameworks. Angular seems to sit on the opposite side of the spectrum. It has many benefits, I'm sure, but in every aspect they've chosen the more complicated solution.
yellowapple 7y ago
The simplest is the one that doesn't exist ;) That is: you're presupposing that a JavaScript framework is actually necessary in the first place. I'd argue that the whole concept of a JS framework is the epitome of chasing after shiny and complicated things. If instead you start with just plain ol' HTML and incrementally add CSS and JS as actually needed, you're much more likely to end up with a much simpler and more maintainable end result (or, at the very least, you will have figured out the actual and specific reasons why you might need the additional complexity of, say, Sass or this week's JS framework).
runarberg 7y ago
VanillaJS! But seriously while Svelte is the new kid on the block, they do claim to have minimal API design and no virtual DOM. So I guess the real answer is Svelte.
- ptx 7y ago
  It does have a compiler, though. So compared to the old-fashioned JavaScript workflow it adds a mandatory build step. And I don't think it would work with languages that compile to JS – or does it?
draw_down 7y ago
The one you like, of course! All the others are bloated and complex.