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China's Vanishing Muslims: Undercover in World's Most Dystopian Place [video]

91 points by _bxg1 7y ago

djaouen 7y ago
Chilling. Especially the ending.
RobertRoberts 7y ago
At the end it shows a mass of kids being lead in chants like: "Are you Chinese?" "Do you love China?" "Do you want China to be strong?" Not sure we can debate this without someone getting upset about some race or religion issue. In the past (in the US anyways) this is the kind of thing wars were fought over to prevent happening across the world.
- jdietrich 7y ago
  "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
  - jeswin 7y ago
    On a separate note, the US Supreme Court's flimsy justification that "under God" represents patriotism and not religion is disappointing. It very clearly means what it says.
  - woodandsteel 7y ago
    People who refuse to say that pledge don't get sent off to a concentration camp.
    - Doxin 7y ago
      No they merely get ousted and punished.
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  Failure to debate is just as upsetting, depending on the values of a person. Or rather, depending on whether they have double standards: for how they would want to be treated, and what treatment of others they support, by ignoring or rationalizing it. What kind of times are these, when To talk about trees is almost a crime Because it implies silence about so many horrors? ― Bertolt Brecht Or as Ilse Aichinger said, "who forgets the murdered kills them once more".
codesushi42 7y ago
It's a shame that Vice News is getting canceled on HBO.
- Fried_Nietzsche 7y ago
  Not really. This is the one video that's been good in a long time. They should've stuck to their roots.
thefounder 7y ago
I wonder if this "policy"/method would have stopped the radicalisation in Iraq/Afghanistan if China was to invade instead of the US.
- aristophenes 7y ago
  Not worth it. The cure is just as bad as the potential disease. On top of that, it probably doesn't even work. Time will tell. However the Uighyers felt about the Chinese before, now they will harbor a white-hot rage. This entire generation of adults can never be trusted by the Chinese, they will have to imprison them forever or kill them. That's basically genocide. Yes if you kill or lock all the people up there will be no more problems. Is that really a good solution? And if the boot ever gets removed from their neck, and they get a chance, they will fight back. Misery upon misery.
  - PavlovsCat 7y ago
    That is so obviously true, of course it has to be punished. We have mountains of literature, including by US intelligence couching it in euphemisms, saying basically that about the Middle East and the US. Just think Gitmo. I remember hearing the "argument" a lot, where people admitting that some people in Gitmo might be innocent, but by now have been treated so badly, they can't be released because they'd try to harm the US for sure.
    - 0815test 7y ago
      > including by US intelligence... 'US intelligence' is a bit of an oxymoron, TBH. Weren't they going to bring democracy to Iraq? That has gone well for sure. If we really want to keep a constructive attitude towards the Middle East, it's important to keep that goal in mind and stick to it, without pursuing distractions. What the Chinese seem to be attempting is an obvious non-starter for lots of reasons.
      - thefounder 7y ago
        US thought the democracy will flourish as soon as the dictators were hanged. That's why both Iraq and AF ended up so messed up. To make it successful US should have assumed a colonial role for at least 20-30 years until people could administer themselves. I guess it's easier to just protect your interests(i.e exploit the oil fields) using military force.
phoebus 7y ago
As a normal people living in northwest part of China, I have something to say to western people. Northwest people have been living under the shadow of fear to the muslim people. In the history, muslim treated chinese non-muslims ruthlessly if they got a chance, though muslim as a religion had come outside of China and Chinese have treated them fairly for hundreds of years since they came to China. They kept their customs, and chinese people respected their custom and expect them to respect back. But things didn't turn that way. Muslims cultivate their hatred toward non-muslims and they consider pork as shit. They don't permit you to cook pork if you accidentally live near their home. About 500 years ago, muslims living in northwest of China started religious war and butchered 20 million civilian people. People living in the northwest are still remembering this vividly, because many of their ancestors got killed mercilessly by muslims. About 1000 years ago, muslims living in Quanzhou captured 10 thousand royal family who were fleeing from invasion of Mongolians. Not treat these royal families nobly, they butchered them all. Of course, Mongolians later swept them away because of their unforgivable behavior. Mongolians even treated their surrender enemies like a educated human beings. Some western people sit in their cool rooms and know nothing about reality. Do you consider the fear of non-muslims living in northwest of China? From my own interests, I think it is fair to education Muslims to learn modern decency and respect other people. At least, I want to eat pork in front of Muslims without fearing of getting beaten or killed!
fallingfrog 7y ago
Their security must be really bad; no video evidence at all has come out of our own secret camps. It’s total information blackout. Our press is either utterly powerless or utterly spineless. Obviously I’m not trying to justify what China is doing, just saying, we need someone to take some risks for fucks sake in both countries and get some footage.
- johnmulaney 7y ago
  We have secret concentration camps?
  - foxyv 7y ago
    I believe they are referring to the United States' ICE camps for deportees where there have been several notable deaths due to lack of medical care.

91 points by _bxg1 7y ago

Chilling. Especially the ending.

At the end it shows a mass of kids being lead in chants like: "Are you Chinese?" "Do you love China?" "Do you want China to be strong?" Not sure we can debate this without someone getting upset about some race or religion issue. In the past (in the US anyways) this is the kind of thing wars were fought over to prevent happening across the world.

jdietrich 7y ago
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
- jeswin 7y ago
  On a separate note, the US Supreme Court's flimsy justification that "under God" represents patriotism and not religion is disappointing. It very clearly means what it says.
- woodandsteel 7y ago
  People who refuse to say that pledge don't get sent off to a concentration camp.
  - Doxin 7y ago
    No they merely get ousted and punished.
PavlovsCat 7y ago
Failure to debate is just as upsetting, depending on the values of a person. Or rather, depending on whether they have double standards: for how they would want to be treated, and what treatment of others they support, by ignoring or rationalizing it. What kind of times are these, when To talk about trees is almost a crime Because it implies silence about so many horrors? ― Bertolt Brecht Or as Ilse Aichinger said, "who forgets the murdered kills them once more".

codesushi42 7y ago

It's a shame that Vice News is getting canceled on HBO.

Fried_Nietzsche 7y ago
Not really. This is the one video that's been good in a long time. They should've stuck to their roots.

thefounder 7y ago

I wonder if this "policy"/method would have stopped the radicalisation in Iraq/Afghanistan if China was to invade instead of the US.

aristophenes 7y ago
Not worth it. The cure is just as bad as the potential disease. On top of that, it probably doesn't even work. Time will tell. However the Uighyers felt about the Chinese before, now they will harbor a white-hot rage. This entire generation of adults can never be trusted by the Chinese, they will have to imprison them forever or kill them. That's basically genocide. Yes if you kill or lock all the people up there will be no more problems. Is that really a good solution? And if the boot ever gets removed from their neck, and they get a chance, they will fight back. Misery upon misery.
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  That is so obviously true, of course it has to be punished. We have mountains of literature, including by US intelligence couching it in euphemisms, saying basically that about the Middle East and the US. Just think Gitmo. I remember hearing the "argument" a lot, where people admitting that some people in Gitmo might be innocent, but by now have been treated so badly, they can't be released because they'd try to harm the US for sure.
  - 0815test 7y ago
    > including by US intelligence... 'US intelligence' is a bit of an oxymoron, TBH. Weren't they going to bring democracy to Iraq? That has gone well for sure. If we really want to keep a constructive attitude towards the Middle East, it's important to keep that goal in mind and stick to it, without pursuing distractions. What the Chinese seem to be attempting is an obvious non-starter for lots of reasons.
    - thefounder 7y ago
      US thought the democracy will flourish as soon as the dictators were hanged. That's why both Iraq and AF ended up so messed up. To make it successful US should have assumed a colonial role for at least 20-30 years until people could administer themselves. I guess it's easier to just protect your interests(i.e exploit the oil fields) using military force.

phoebus 7y ago

As a normal people living in northwest part of China, I have something to say to western people. Northwest people have been living under the shadow of fear to the muslim people. In the history, muslim treated chinese non-muslims ruthlessly if they got a chance, though muslim as a religion had come outside of China and Chinese have treated them fairly for hundreds of years since they came to China. They kept their customs, and chinese people respected their custom and expect them to respect back. But things didn't turn that way. Muslims cultivate their hatred toward non-muslims and they consider pork as shit. They don't permit you to cook pork if you accidentally live near their home. About 500 years ago, muslims living in northwest of China started religious war and butchered 20 million civilian people. People living in the northwest are still remembering this vividly, because many of their ancestors got killed mercilessly by muslims. About 1000 years ago, muslims living in Quanzhou captured 10 thousand royal family who were fleeing from invasion of Mongolians. Not treat these royal families nobly, they butchered them all. Of course, Mongolians later swept them away because of their unforgivable behavior. Mongolians even treated their surrender enemies like a educated human beings. Some western people sit in their cool rooms and know nothing about reality. Do you consider the fear of non-muslims living in northwest of China? From my own interests, I think it is fair to education Muslims to learn modern decency and respect other people. At least, I want to eat pork in front of Muslims without fearing of getting beaten or killed!

fallingfrog 7y ago

Their security must be really bad; no video evidence at all has come out of our own secret camps. It’s total information blackout. Our press is either utterly powerless or utterly spineless. Obviously I’m not trying to justify what China is doing, just saying, we need someone to take some risks for fucks sake in both countries and get some footage.

johnmulaney 7y ago
We have secret concentration camps?
- foxyv 7y ago
  I believe they are referring to the United States' ICE camps for deportees where there have been several notable deaths due to lack of medical care.