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I can (and would) opt out of going to China. I'm all set with authoritarian dictatorships with torture camps and organ harvesting.

fao_ 7y ago
I can (and would) opt out of going to America. I'm all set with government-endorsed child trafficking and concentration camps.
- homonculus1 7y ago
  Stopping noncitizens at the border for processing is a far cry from dragging millions of people out of their homes.
  - r3bl 7y ago
    Would you classify the US treatment of Japanese citizens during WW2 as inhumane? Back then, they were called war relocation centers. Right now, we call them concentration camps. Same thing will happen with the current camps, both in the US and China. In both cases, it's only the citizens of those countries that object to the usage of the term "concentration camps", while everyone else classifies them properly. Nobody in the history has called their own camps for what they truly are. Keeping people in inhumane conditions because the government identified their nationality as suspects is a terrible thing to do regardless of how that same government tries to spin it.
    - homonculus1 7y ago
      Those Japanese-American detainees had legal residential status when they were illegally rounded up without due process. The detainees in the current border camps have no such status. Some of them are eventually admitted as refugees but there is no obligation to allow any of them to simply enter the country. Presumably they would be permitted to leave the camps if they decided to go to a different country. If not, then the camps are in fact concentration camps. If so, then the comparison is hysterical political outrage that spits in the face of actual political detention.
      - 427562696e6761 7y ago
        The individuals being detained would not be permitted to leave the camps to simply go elsewhere. As per Section 1325 of Title 8 in the U.S. Code, they have committed a crime and are being detained on that basis.
        fao_ 7y ago
        What crime did the Japanese Americans commit.
      - r3bl 7y ago
        > Those Japanese-American detainees had legal residential status when they were illegally rounded up without due process. ...and let me quote the SCOTUS decision in the Korematsu v. U.S. (1944): > Regardless of the true nature of the assembly and relocation centers—and we deem it unjustifiable to call them concentration camps with all the ugly connotations that term implies— we are dealing specifically: with nothing but an exclusion order. Do you not see the issue here?
- Japhy_Ryder 7y ago
  This is grasping at straws. If you think the situation in US is anywhere remotely close to China, you are either under the influence of severe propaganda, or just don't know what's actually going on in both countries. China has no actual rule of law and is a de facto authoritarian dictatorship.
  - iiuuhhggff 7y ago
    I think people who say this forget about the “war on terror” and all the innocent civilians killed in drone stikes.
    - Japhy_Ryder 7y ago
      That is an entirely different thing. You're talking foreign policy, I'm talking domestic policy.
      - Bakary 7y ago
        I think the point they were making is that if you decline to visit a region for moral reasons, then many other regions such as the US should also meet the abstract binary threshold even if they clearly aren't as bad.
      - FpUser 7y ago
        So you say that as long as you kill foreigners it is ok comparatively to state killing their own?

fao_ 7y ago

I can (and would) opt out of going to America. I'm all set with government-endorsed child trafficking and concentration camps.

homonculus1 7y ago
Stopping noncitizens at the border for processing is a far cry from dragging millions of people out of their homes.
- r3bl 7y ago
  Would you classify the US treatment of Japanese citizens during WW2 as inhumane? Back then, they were called war relocation centers. Right now, we call them concentration camps. Same thing will happen with the current camps, both in the US and China. In both cases, it's only the citizens of those countries that object to the usage of the term "concentration camps", while everyone else classifies them properly. Nobody in the history has called their own camps for what they truly are. Keeping people in inhumane conditions because the government identified their nationality as suspects is a terrible thing to do regardless of how that same government tries to spin it.
  - homonculus1 7y ago
    Those Japanese-American detainees had legal residential status when they were illegally rounded up without due process. The detainees in the current border camps have no such status. Some of them are eventually admitted as refugees but there is no obligation to allow any of them to simply enter the country. Presumably they would be permitted to leave the camps if they decided to go to a different country. If not, then the camps are in fact concentration camps. If so, then the comparison is hysterical political outrage that spits in the face of actual political detention.
    - 427562696e6761 7y ago
      The individuals being detained would not be permitted to leave the camps to simply go elsewhere. As per Section 1325 of Title 8 in the U.S. Code, they have committed a crime and are being detained on that basis.
      - fao_ 7y ago
        What crime did the Japanese Americans commit.
    - r3bl 7y ago
      > Those Japanese-American detainees had legal residential status when they were illegally rounded up without due process. ...and let me quote the SCOTUS decision in the Korematsu v. U.S. (1944): > Regardless of the true nature of the assembly and relocation centers—and we deem it unjustifiable to call them concentration camps with all the ugly connotations that term implies— we are dealing specifically: with nothing but an exclusion order. Do you not see the issue here?
Japhy_Ryder 7y ago
This is grasping at straws. If you think the situation in US is anywhere remotely close to China, you are either under the influence of severe propaganda, or just don't know what's actually going on in both countries. China has no actual rule of law and is a de facto authoritarian dictatorship.
- iiuuhhggff 7y ago
  I think people who say this forget about the “war on terror” and all the innocent civilians killed in drone stikes.
  - Japhy_Ryder 7y ago
    That is an entirely different thing. You're talking foreign policy, I'm talking domestic policy.
    - Bakary 7y ago
      I think the point they were making is that if you decline to visit a region for moral reasons, then many other regions such as the US should also meet the abstract binary threshold even if they clearly aren't as bad.
    - FpUser 7y ago
      So you say that as long as you kill foreigners it is ok comparatively to state killing their own?