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> but after 10+ years they still just work I think this is also a mindset of devs who are committed to a job long term. Many places seem to churn through peopl

by rb808 7y ago

> but after 10+ years they still just work I think this is also a mindset of devs who are committed to a job long term. Many places seem to churn through people every few years. If I had to look for a job every year or two I'd be doing resume-trendy "best tool for the job" stuff too. If I knew I'd be on the same system in 2029, I'd be keeping things easy to maintain.

ghaff 7y ago
And in all fairness, many people seem to churn through places every year or two because (among other reasons) they value newness over longer term projects.
- mcguire 7y ago
  "If you’re giving individual teams (or gods help you, individuals) free reign to make local decisions about infrastructure, you’re hurting yourself globally. It’s freedom, sure. You’re handing developers a ball of chain and padlocks and telling them to feel free to bind themselves to the operational toil that will be with them until the sweet release of grim death." That last sentence really should be, "You’re handing developers a ball of chain and padlocks and telling them to feel free to bind you to the operational toil that will be with you until the sweet release of grim death." They can (and will) pack up their tents and move on well before any consequences appear.
  - nineteen999 7y ago
    Exactly. And then the poor sods who have to come to pick up their (frequently undocumented or poorly documented) train wreck have to try to and keep it running, or rewrite it.
- potta_coffee 7y ago
  I value stability, but the companies I've worked for haven't provided any. There's definitely two sides to the coin. Would love to find a job that deserves long term commitment.
- a_imho 7y ago
  Do not agree, changing places has a very high cost. People change places because that's seems to be the only way to get a meaningful raise.
  - ghaff 7y ago
    That is one reason people job hop. However I’ve known lots of people who also admit to just routinely getting bored after a couple of years.
peruvian 7y ago
A lot of companies aren't set up for long term existence. They want an acquisition in the next 5-10 years.

by rb808 7y ago

ghaff 7y ago

And in all fairness, many people seem to churn through places every year or two because (among other reasons) they value newness over longer term projects.

mcguire 7y ago
"If you’re giving individual teams (or gods help you, individuals) free reign to make local decisions about infrastructure, you’re hurting yourself globally. It’s freedom, sure. You’re handing developers a ball of chain and padlocks and telling them to feel free to bind themselves to the operational toil that will be with them until the sweet release of grim death." That last sentence really should be, "You’re handing developers a ball of chain and padlocks and telling them to feel free to bind you to the operational toil that will be with you until the sweet release of grim death." They can (and will) pack up their tents and move on well before any consequences appear.
- nineteen999 7y ago
  Exactly. And then the poor sods who have to come to pick up their (frequently undocumented or poorly documented) train wreck have to try to and keep it running, or rewrite it.
potta_coffee 7y ago
I value stability, but the companies I've worked for haven't provided any. There's definitely two sides to the coin. Would love to find a job that deserves long term commitment.
a_imho 7y ago
Do not agree, changing places has a very high cost. People change places because that's seems to be the only way to get a meaningful raise.
- ghaff 7y ago
  That is one reason people job hop. However I’ve known lots of people who also admit to just routinely getting bored after a couple of years.

peruvian 7y ago

A lot of companies aren't set up for long term existence. They want an acquisition in the next 5-10 years.