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Please stick to the community guidelines and respond directly to the argument. Calling a response "sanctimonious drivel" does not make your reply more compellin

by jtr1 7y ago

Please stick to the community guidelines and respond directly to the argument. Calling a response "sanctimonious drivel" does not make your reply more compelling.

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rayiner 7y ago
The fact that OP is being sanctimonious is highly relevant to the point I’m making. It’s one thing to hold the opinion that we need to eliminate oil use because of the serious environmental repercussions. But if you’re living in america enjoying American employment options and living standards, you don’t get to engage in “holier than thou” “us versus them” rhetoric. Our entire economy and all of our jobs are predicated on cheap energy. Oil companies make a lot of money because they deliver an essential, high demand product. But given that oil and gas is less profitable than your average industry (as you’d expect a commodity to be) there is no basis for acting as if the benefits of cheap oil flow to oil company shareholders. It flows overwhelmingly to consumers.
- jtr1 7y ago
  I'm not saying OP made a stellar point, but "drivel" is an unnecessarily aggressive descriptor here. Try to assume good faith and draw out an argument that elevates the overall discussion. You're raising a worthwhile concern. Raise it in a way that invites, rather than shuts down discussion.
  - rayiner 7y ago
    You're right, "drivel" was unwarranted. I have deleted that.
    - 18pfsmt 7y ago
      I drunkenly invited someone to Denver at my expense for a duel the other day (not literally, but figuratively). All this partisan, populist rhetoric is driving some of us a bit nuts, but you are usually a voice of reason. It's ok to slip up from time to time.
- nate_meurer 7y ago
  > "But if you’re living in america enjoying American employment options and living standards, you don’t get to engage in “holier than thou” “us versus them” rhetoric. " This is a strange place for the love-it-or-leave-it fallacy to rear its simplistic head. Grandparent is pissed at fracking companies and the perceived greed of their shareholders. A widely-held viewpoint expressed plainly. The mere existence of your disagreement doesn't make his opinion any less valid.

by jtr1 7y ago

Please stick to the community guidelines and respond directly to the argument. Calling a response "sanctimonious drivel" does not make your reply more compelling.

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rayiner 7y ago

The fact that OP is being sanctimonious is highly relevant to the point I’m making. It’s one thing to hold the opinion that we need to eliminate oil use because of the serious environmental repercussions. But if you’re living in america enjoying American employment options and living standards, you don’t get to engage in “holier than thou” “us versus them” rhetoric. Our entire economy and all of our jobs are predicated on cheap energy. Oil companies make a lot of money because they deliver an essential, high demand product. But given that oil and gas is less profitable than your average industry (as you’d expect a commodity to be) there is no basis for acting as if the benefits of cheap oil flow to oil company shareholders. It flows overwhelmingly to consumers.

jtr1 7y ago
I'm not saying OP made a stellar point, but "drivel" is an unnecessarily aggressive descriptor here. Try to assume good faith and draw out an argument that elevates the overall discussion. You're raising a worthwhile concern. Raise it in a way that invites, rather than shuts down discussion.
- rayiner 7y ago
  You're right, "drivel" was unwarranted. I have deleted that.
  - 18pfsmt 7y ago
    I drunkenly invited someone to Denver at my expense for a duel the other day (not literally, but figuratively). All this partisan, populist rhetoric is driving some of us a bit nuts, but you are usually a voice of reason. It's ok to slip up from time to time.
nate_meurer 7y ago
> "But if you’re living in america enjoying American employment options and living standards, you don’t get to engage in “holier than thou” “us versus them” rhetoric. " This is a strange place for the love-it-or-leave-it fallacy to rear its simplistic head. Grandparent is pissed at fracking companies and the perceived greed of their shareholders. A widely-held viewpoint expressed plainly. The mere existence of your disagreement doesn't make his opinion any less valid.