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https://rebellion.earth/ https://rebellion.earth/ or this just keeps getting worse.

crispinb 7y ago
It keeps getting worse regardless. It's only a matter now of how much worse, and how quickly. Many of the leading lights involved with XR are very clear on this, and indeed are working in parallel on 'deep adaptation' (ie. how to manage through the collapse).
AnimalMuppet 7y ago
You think that's going to stop it from getting worse? It won't.
- cbHXBY1D 7y ago
  Political action is the only thing thing that can address climate change. Since none of us are elected politicians, mass protest (general strike) is our only way of putting pressure on government + industry.
- ForHackernews 7y ago
  "Stop" is too strong a word. It's too late to stop something that's already happened. So far, we haven't even moved the second derivative in the right direction. Of course, every comment suggesting mass political action on HN gets downvoted in favour of more bloviating about pipe-dream fusion or scifi geo-engineering scenarios.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    Moving the second derivative... yeah, that might actually be a realistic goal.
cconroy 7y ago
What is their position on nuclear? I don't see anywhere were there's a plan to replace Oil + Gas + Coal (renewables atm will not come close!). James Hansen has the carbon dividend / tax.[0] This is the only thing that will work imo. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fee_and_dividend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fee_and_dividend
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- ForHackernews 7y ago
  XR's main goal is just that politicians be honest with people about how desperate the crisis is, and treat the problem with the seriousness it deserves. They aren't scientists and they're not trying to pre-determine what action should be taken: https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/faqs/ https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/faqs/ > What does XR think about 5g, Veganism, Nuclear power, smart meters and so on? > Many people within XR will have strong views on all of the above and we want to welcome a variety of views, rather than adopting positions on controversial topics. We believe a social movement is best built as a “broad church” and that respectful discussions should take place within the movement on a variety of topics (honouring our principle and value of no blaming and shaming). XR does not take a position on solutions to the ecological crisis- our third demand is for a Citizens Assembly to come up with a way to deal with the crisis focussing on climate and ecological justice based on being presented with facts from a variety of experts. We focus on the issues that have a clear body of mainstream science with a large consensus of opinion – for example, biodiversity loss and climate change.

It keeps getting worse regardless. It's only a matter now of how much worse, and how quickly. Many of the leading lights involved with XR are very clear on this, and indeed are working in parallel on 'deep adaptation' (ie. how to manage through the collapse).

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

You think that's going to stop it from getting worse? It won't.

cbHXBY1D 7y ago
Political action is the only thing thing that can address climate change. Since none of us are elected politicians, mass protest (general strike) is our only way of putting pressure on government + industry.
ForHackernews 7y ago
"Stop" is too strong a word. It's too late to stop something that's already happened. So far, we haven't even moved the second derivative in the right direction. Of course, every comment suggesting mass political action on HN gets downvoted in favour of more bloviating about pipe-dream fusion or scifi geo-engineering scenarios.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  Moving the second derivative... yeah, that might actually be a realistic goal.

cconroy 7y ago

What is their position on nuclear? I don't see anywhere were there's a plan to replace Oil + Gas + Coal (renewables atm will not come close!). James Hansen has the carbon dividend / tax.[0] This is the only thing that will work imo. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fee_and_dividend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fee_and_dividend

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ForHackernews 7y ago
XR's main goal is just that politicians be honest with people about how desperate the crisis is, and treat the problem with the seriousness it deserves. They aren't scientists and they're not trying to pre-determine what action should be taken: https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/faqs/ https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/faqs/ > What does XR think about 5g, Veganism, Nuclear power, smart meters and so on? > Many people within XR will have strong views on all of the above and we want to welcome a variety of views, rather than adopting positions on controversial topics. We believe a social movement is best built as a “broad church” and that respectful discussions should take place within the movement on a variety of topics (honouring our principle and value of no blaming and shaming). XR does not take a position on solutions to the ecological crisis- our third demand is for a Citizens Assembly to come up with a way to deal with the crisis focussing on climate and ecological justice based on being presented with facts from a variety of experts. We focus on the issues that have a clear body of mainstream science with a large consensus of opinion – for example, biodiversity loss and climate change.