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Mastercard will act as enforcer for RIAA, MPAA

29 points by ubasu 16y ago

waterlesscloud 16y ago
I'm not crazy about all the copyright enforcement hijinx, but I'm having a hard time seeing anything wrong with this particular plan.
- shub 16y ago
  Should a neo-Nazi have phone service? Would it be acceptable for Verizon to cut off someone's FiOS based on the Anti-Defamation League's say-so? For Internet-based businesses, the ability to display ads and process credit card payments is nothing more or less than the ability to exist. It scares me that these decisions will be made by trade groups and multinational corporations, largely or entirely free of judicial review. We're talking about people having their work destroyed and possibly seeing their livelihoods ruined because they harmed a company's profits. I'm not comfortable with that, and I'm sure as hell not comfortable with it being done as easily as the article suggests.
  - raganwald 16y ago
    Should a _____ have phone service? Here in Canada, telecommunications is a regulated industry and payment processing is an unregulated industry. That makes all the difference. In Canadian terms, you are asking whether payment processing should become a regulated industry with formal rules about who providers must serve and under what circumstances they can decline to provide service. As a footnote, we Canadians have laws about the particular example you gave that don't translate well in the USA.
  - scrod 16y ago
    This is a perfect example of how the negative liberties implied in "free markets" can destroy our actually experienced liberties (particularly in the case of free speech), and thus underscore the importance of positive liberties (i.e., one's ability to influence the world around him/her). http://science.jrank.org/pages/9967/Liberty-Contemporary-Conceptions.html http://science.jrank.org/pages/9967/Liberty-Contemporary-Con...
slapshot 16y ago
This is not new. Visa and MC have, for many years, decided what times of content they will and will not fund. By the same logic, they are also the enforcers for the anti-online-gambling lobby, the anti-hate-crime lobby, etc. Saying that Visa and MC should be required to accept all transactions would be a very strong statement. It's not impossible, but it's very strong.
- Natsu 16y ago
  > Saying that Visa and MC should be required to accept all transactions would be a very strong statement. It's not impossible, but it's very strong. I'm pretty sure that pedophile guide they were selling on Amazon a while back had Visa/MC as a payment option, because Amazon took my Visa a while ago when I bought something there. As such, given that they won't process payments for just anyone, I'm going to assume that Visa/MasterCard explicitly endorses each and every group for which they accept payments.
Helianthus16 16y ago
Well, that will shut down all those pirate sites that charge for their warez. ...

29 points by ubasu 16y ago

I'm not crazy about all the copyright enforcement hijinx, but I'm having a hard time seeing anything wrong with this particular plan.

shub 16y ago
Should a neo-Nazi have phone service? Would it be acceptable for Verizon to cut off someone's FiOS based on the Anti-Defamation League's say-so? For Internet-based businesses, the ability to display ads and process credit card payments is nothing more or less than the ability to exist. It scares me that these decisions will be made by trade groups and multinational corporations, largely or entirely free of judicial review. We're talking about people having their work destroyed and possibly seeing their livelihoods ruined because they harmed a company's profits. I'm not comfortable with that, and I'm sure as hell not comfortable with it being done as easily as the article suggests.
- raganwald 16y ago
  Should a _____ have phone service? Here in Canada, telecommunications is a regulated industry and payment processing is an unregulated industry. That makes all the difference. In Canadian terms, you are asking whether payment processing should become a regulated industry with formal rules about who providers must serve and under what circumstances they can decline to provide service. As a footnote, we Canadians have laws about the particular example you gave that don't translate well in the USA.
- scrod 16y ago
  This is a perfect example of how the negative liberties implied in "free markets" can destroy our actually experienced liberties (particularly in the case of free speech), and thus underscore the importance of positive liberties (i.e., one's ability to influence the world around him/her). http://science.jrank.org/pages/9967/Liberty-Contemporary-Conceptions.html http://science.jrank.org/pages/9967/Liberty-Contemporary-Con...

slapshot 16y ago

This is not new. Visa and MC have, for many years, decided what times of content they will and will not fund. By the same logic, they are also the enforcers for the anti-online-gambling lobby, the anti-hate-crime lobby, etc. Saying that Visa and MC should be required to accept all transactions would be a very strong statement. It's not impossible, but it's very strong.

Natsu 16y ago
> Saying that Visa and MC should be required to accept all transactions would be a very strong statement. It's not impossible, but it's very strong. I'm pretty sure that pedophile guide they were selling on Amazon a while back had Visa/MC as a payment option, because Amazon took my Visa a while ago when I bought something there. As such, given that they won't process payments for just anyone, I'm going to assume that Visa/MasterCard explicitly endorses each and every group for which they accept payments.

Helianthus16 16y ago

Well, that will shut down all those pirate sites that charge for their warez. ...